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KK talks about the early boredom he felt for computers because he was already looking for the computers he knew from his science fiction books. Those computers took a while to arrive, but the world soon exploded in wonder.
Andrea and Kevin's conversation highlights the crucial role of science fiction as a source of inspiration for scientific research, and Kevin even suggests scientists should cite those books in their references. The discussion transitions into reflections on the value of time over money and the nuanced, continuum nature of biological and mechanical entities. The speaker also shares their experiences as an early Burning Man attendee and covering the internet's emergence as a journalist. Lastly, the concept of 'hill making' versus 'hill climbing' in optimization and innovation is introduced, advocating for the creation of new territories over merely enhancing existing ones.
00:00 Introduction and Initial Thoughts on Computers
00:08 The Influence of Science Fiction on Research
00:32 Understanding the Value of Time
00:52 The Continuum of Biological and Mechanical
01:22 Early Experiences with Burning Man and the Internet
02:40 The Concept of Landscapes in Science and Optimization
03:49 Hill Climbing vs. Hill Making
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KK talks about the early boredom he felt for computers because he was already looking for the computers he knew from his science fiction books. Those computers took a while to arrive, but the world soon exploded in wonder.
Andrea and Kevin's conversation highlights the crucial role of science fiction as a source of inspiration for scientific research, and Kevin even suggests scientists should cite those books in their references. The discussion transitions into reflections on the value of time over money and the nuanced, continuum nature of biological and mechanical entities. The speaker also shares their experiences as an early Burning Man attendee and covering the internet's emergence as a journalist. Lastly, the concept of 'hill making' versus 'hill climbing' in optimization and innovation is introduced, advocating for the creation of new territories over merely enhancing existing ones.
00:00 Introduction and Initial Thoughts on Computers
00:08 The Influence of Science Fiction on Research
00:32 Understanding the Value of Time
00:52 The Continuum of Biological and Mechanical
01:22 Early Experiences with Burning Man and the Internet
02:40 The Concept of Landscapes in Science and Optimization
03:49 Hill Climbing vs. Hill Making
Excellent Advice for Living (https://kk.org/books/excellent-advice...)
Kevin Kelly on Substack (substack.com/@kevinkelly952890)
kk.org
Stewart Brand (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Brand)
Whole Earth Index (wholeearth.info/)
the WELL (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WELL)
WIRED Magazine (wired.com/)
Sign up for the Newsletter (lovephilosophy.substack.com/)
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Important Notice
The ideas discussed may challenge your current beliefs and worldview. If you experience emotional distress or confusion while watching, please pause and consider speaking with a qualified mental health professional.
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![#52: We Are Not Machines! Agency & Science beyond Computationalism with Fotis and Yogi (Johannes ...
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#paradox of #love and #agency Yogi aka. Johannes Jaeger like to fashion himself as a natural philosopher. After having his own lab and being the director of an institute in Vienna he left academia for pursuing intellectual production independently. He is part of an science-art collective in Vienna called The Zone. His focus has been primarily focused on his book, Beyond the Age of #Machines, which he had been publishing incrementally in digital form. Fotis Tsiroukis is a cross-disciplinary researcher interested in the intersection between humanities, science and new media. Also a cyborg...
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In this episode of the Love & Philosophy Podcast, host Fotis engages in a deep and
thought-provoking conversation with Johannes Yogi Jaeger, a freelance scholar and biologist-turned-philosopher. Yogi critiques the dominant machine worldview that has shaped modernity, arguing that it has led human civilization to a dangerous cliff edge. He advocates for a shift towards a process-oriented, relational metaphysics that emphasizes the interconnectedness of living systems and the limitations of computational models. Yogi also discusses the pitfalls of AI, the dangers of technological hubris, and the need for a new kind of science that reconnects us with reality. The conversation touches on themes of agency, the limitations of a computationalist worldview and the importance of tough love in guiding humanity towards a more sustainable and meaningful future.
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1. [00:00:00] Snippets
2. [00:02:10] Introduction (by Fotis)
3. [00:10:00] Yogi as a Natural Philosopher
4. [00:13:00] Critique of Modern Science
5. [00:14:30] Yogi’s Journey of Dissilusionment: from Molecular Biologist to Freelance
Theorist
6. [00:20:00] The Problem with the Academic System
7. [00:25:00] The Need for a New Metaphysics
8. [00:28:00] Getting Back in Touch with Reality
9. [00:32:00] Postmodernism & Metamodernism
10. [00:36:00] The Danger of Technological Hubris
11. [00:40:00] Complexity Science and the Pitfalls of the Computationalist Wordlview
12. [00:45:00] The Illusion of Total Control
13. [00:49:00] The Misuse of AI
14. [00:54:00] Preping for the Collapse of this Civilization
15. [00:57:00] AI Agents arent Real Agents
16. [01:05:00] The Illusion of AI Sentience
17. [01:10:00] The Free Energy Principle and Reductionism
18. [01:20:00] The Importance of Relevance Realization
19. [01:25:00] The Role of Relationality and Connection
20. [01:30:00] Tough Love for Humanity
21. [01:35:00] Closing Thoughts
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