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Question - "How does Jhana meditation simplify experience to facilitate insight and cognitive flexibility?"
John Vervaeke is joined by Mark Miller, Rick Repetti, to explore the intersection of predictive processing, relevance realization, and embodied cognition in contemplative practices. They introduce PhD candidate Jonas Mago, who discusses his research on Jhana meditation and its impact on cognitive flexibility and insight. The conversation touches on contrasting Jhana practices with charismatic Christian traditions such as speaking in tongues. They also explore how Jhana states temporarily reduce the complexity of perception, allowing practitioners to observe the construction and deconstruction of their experiential models. The neuroscientific evidence provided, such as changes in brain responses during these states, adds depth to this exploration, illustrating how such simplification can lead to profound insights.
Mark Miller, a philosopher and cognitive scientist, holds a senior research fellowship at Monash University's Center for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies in Australia, with affiliations at the University of Toronto and Hokkaido University in Japan. His work, which dives into the interplay between human thought, technology's impact on well-being, and human-computer interaction, is at the forefront of integrating cognitive neuroscience with philosophical inquiry.
Rick Repetti is Professor of Philosophy at Kingsborough Community College, CUNY, USA. He is the author of The Counterfactual Theory of Free Will (2010), as well as several articles on Buddhism, meditation, free will, and philosophy of religion.
Jonas Mago is a cognitive neuroscientist and wellbeing aficionado, deeply invested in understanding the cognitive and neurobiological mechanisms underlying human flourishing. His research explores contemplative practices designed to cultivate wholesome states of mind—spanning meditation, prayer, collective cultural rituals, and psychedelic therapies. I approach these topics from an interdisciplinary perspective, integrating cognitive science, neurobiology, computational modeling, and phenomenology to investigate mechanisms of self-regulation and transformation. He is currently pursuing my doctoral studies in Neuroscience at McGill University under the supervision of Dr. Michael Lifshitz, with co-supervision from Prof. Dr. Karl Friston. His academic journey includes a master’s degree in Mind, Language, and Embodied Cognition from the University of Edinburgh (UK) and undergraduate studies in Liberal Arts and Sciences at University College Maastricht (Netherlands).
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0:00 Introduction to the Lectern. This is the beginning of The Predictive Processing series
0:30 Mark Miller, Rick Repetti, and Jonas Mago joins John Vervaeke
1:30 Predictive Processing and Meditation
4:00 Inside Jhanas Meditation
10:00 Phenomenology and Cognitive Functions of Jhanas
11:30 “Is Jhanas essential for the path of awakening?”
13:00 Predictive Coding and Cognitive Models
18:00 Jhana meditation and the transient nature of predictive models
25:00 Analysis of the risks and benefits associated with Jhana practice
30:00 EEG Studies on Jhana Practitioners
37:00 Jhana versus Pure Consciousness
45:00 High Arousal Contemplative States: Jhana and Christian prayer
54:00 The Importance of Context in Contemplative Practices
1:05:00 Final Words
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Jonas Mago:
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Question - "How does Jhana meditation simplify experience to facilitate insight and cognitive flexibility?"
John Vervaeke is joined by Mark Miller, Rick Repetti, to explore the intersection of predictive processing, relevance realization, and embodied cognition in contemplative practices. They introduce PhD candidate Jonas Mago, who discusses his research on Jhana meditation and its impact on cognitive flexibility and insight. The conversation touches on contrasting Jhana practices with charismatic Christian traditions such as speaking in tongues. They also explore how Jhana states temporarily reduce the complexity of perception, allowing practitioners to observe the construction and deconstruction of their experiential models. The neuroscientific evidence provided, such as changes in brain responses during these states, adds depth to this exploration, illustrating how such simplification can lead to profound insights.
Mark Miller, a philosopher and cognitive scientist, holds a senior research fellowship at Monash University's Center for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies in Australia, with affiliations at the University of Toronto and Hokkaido University in Japan. His work, which dives into the interplay between human thought, technology's impact on well-being, and human-computer interaction, is at the forefront of integrating cognitive neuroscience with philosophical inquiry.
Rick Repetti is Professor of Philosophy at Kingsborough Community College, CUNY, USA. He is the author of The Counterfactual Theory of Free Will (2010), as well as several articles on Buddhism, meditation, free will, and philosophy of religion.
Jonas Mago is a cognitive neuroscientist and wellbeing aficionado, deeply invested in understanding the cognitive and neurobiological mechanisms underlying human flourishing. His research explores contemplative practices designed to cultivate wholesome states of mind—spanning meditation, prayer, collective cultural rituals, and psychedelic therapies. I approach these topics from an interdisciplinary perspective, integrating cognitive science, neurobiology, computational modeling, and phenomenology to investigate mechanisms of self-regulation and transformation. He is currently pursuing my doctoral studies in Neuroscience at McGill University under the supervision of Dr. Michael Lifshitz, with co-supervision from Prof. Dr. Karl Friston. His academic journey includes a master’s degree in Mind, Language, and Embodied Cognition from the University of Edinburgh (UK) and undergraduate studies in Liberal Arts and Sciences at University College Maastricht (Netherlands).
Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our Patreon.
If you find yourself torn between rationality and spirituality, science and mysticism, facts and belief; The Lectern's inaugural 8-week course will offer you a new lens through which to reflect on these dilemmas. Click here to enroll: lectern.teachable.com/p/einstein-and-spinoza-s-god1
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0:00 Introduction to the Lectern. This is the beginning of The Predictive Processing series
0:30 Mark Miller, Rick Repetti, and Jonas Mago joins John Vervaeke
1:30 Predictive Processing and Meditation
4:00 Inside Jhanas Meditation
10:00 Phenomenology and Cognitive Functions of Jhanas
11:30 “Is Jhanas essential for the path of awakening?”
13:00 Predictive Coding and Cognitive Models
18:00 Jhana meditation and the transient nature of predictive models
25:00 Analysis of the risks and benefits associated with Jhana practice
30:00 EEG Studies on Jhana Practitioners
37:00 Jhana versus Pure Consciousness
45:00 High Arousal Contemplative States: Jhana and Christian prayer
54:00 The Importance of Context in Contemplative Practices
1:05:00 Final Words
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The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. vervaekefoundation.org
Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. awakentomeaning.com
John Vervaeke:
johnvervaeke.com
twitter.com/vervaeke_john
youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Mark Miller:
https://www.markdmiller.live/
https://x.com/predictivelife
youtube.com/channel
Rick Repetti:
rickrepetti.com
thecontemplativescientists.com
twitter.com/rickrepetti
facebook.com/philosophicalpractitioner
Jonas Mago:
jonasmago.com
twitter.com/jonashmago


![Beyond the One: Unraveling Plotinus and Pure Relationality with Robert Gray and Eric Orwoll
In this episode, John Vervaeke, Robert Gray, and Eric Orwell explore the intricacies of Plotinus, Neo-Platonism, and pure relationality. They meticulously analyze James Fillers thought-provoking paper, viewing its ideas through Heideggers philosophy and the essence of language. The concept of pure relationality and its impact on our understanding of reality is thoroughly examined, highlighting key themes such as the One, sacredness, and ethical dimensions. Diverse perspectives are brought into dialogue, and traditional views are critically assessed, as the guests reconstruct philosophical concepts for the contemporary world. The episode offers both grounding exercises and detailed analysis, taking listeners on a journey through ancient wisdom to discover its relevance in addressing todays challenges.
Eric Orwoll is a Christian Platonist philosopher and the creator of the Understanding Platonism and Aarvoll YouTube channels.
Robert Gray is the creator of The Meditating Philosopher YouTube channel.
Glossary of Terms
Relational Ontology: The philosophical study that posits relations rather than substances as the fundamental constituents of reality.
Neoplatonism: A philosophical system that emphasizes the spiritual and metaphysical aspects of reality, drawing on Platos ideas.
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Eric Orwoll
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Books, Articles, and Publications
The One as Pure Relation in Plotinus - Filler, James (2019). International Journal of the Platonic Tradition https://brill.com/view/journals/jpt/13/1/article-p1_1.xml
Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler
https://www.amazon.com/dp/3031309065
The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: A New Kind of Reality Theory - Christopher Langan https://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Theoretic-Model-Universe-Reality-Theory/dp/0971916225
Essential Difference: Toward a Metaphysics of Emergence - James Blachowicz https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Difference-Toward-Metaphysics-Emergence/dp/1438443323
Quotes
It reminded me of the attitude towards language in the Platonic dialogues, where Socrates moves into something more poetic, almost verse. Theres that shift between prosaic, dialectical investigation and mytho-poetic, dreamlike exposition. Thats interesting; Ive identified those mythic sections often contain the deepest insights about the nature of reality. - Eric Orwoll [00:07:06]
It helped to explain how and why those two are non logically one. That gave me a profound aha. Then, the critique of substance in the Aristotelian sense, where the subject predicate nature of logic and language is the same fundamental structure of reality, reality is made up of independently existing things that contain properties or enter into action. - John Vervaeke [00:16:00]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Grounding Exercise
[00:03:20] - Overview of James Fillers Work
[00:08:20] - Theological Poetic Language and Platos Ontology
[00:12:40] - Hemispheric Approaches to Reasoning
[00:14:07] - Johns Personal and Philosophical Reflections on Fillers Work
[00:20:08] - Dissecting Fillers Arguments: Exegesis and Ontological Inquiry
[00:30:20] - Revisiting Relationality and Unity: Ethical and Ontological Nuances
[00:46:00] - Navigating Reality: From Illusion to Sacredness
[00:52:56] - Tradition and Global Spirituality
[01:04:56] - Bridging Metaphysical Necessity and Cognitive Pluralism
[01:15:08] - A Philosophical Inquiry into Forms and Instantiations
[01:23:18] - Final Thoughts and Future Conversations Beyond the One: Unraveling Plotinus and Pure Relationality with Robert Gray and Eric Orwoll](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ylEGSDrWRnE/mqdefault.jpg)

