Uploaded February 2016 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Is hacking good or bad? Can hackers make us safer? We talk to two good hackers who find the flaws in our products before the bad guys do.


Special Thanks to:
Nick Percoco and Matt Jakubowski
thotcon.org

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Rob Scallon
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Todd Umhoefer (Old Earth)
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Anonymous, By Vincent Diamante [CC BY-SA 2.0 (creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0)], via Wikimedia Commons, commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AAnonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.jpg

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Internet thermostat, By Raysonho @ Open Grid Scheduler / Grid Engine (Own work) [CC0], via Wikimedia Commons, commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ANestLearningThermostat2.JPG

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Kid Playing Commodore 64, Commodore 64 1983 By saintpo2007@yahoo.com, 9/19/07, creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/, flickr.com/photos/saintpo798/2049366008

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