Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
What does it mean to hold grief and joy at the same time?
In this tender conversation, Kate Bowler sits down with Sarah Wildman, mother of Orly—a bright, funny, and deeply beloved child who lived with pediatric cancer. Together, they explore what it’s like to face suffering with honesty, to laugh in the hardest moments, and to love without a guarantee of time.
This episode speaks to the sacred work of caregiving and the invisible strength of those walking through hospice care, chronic illness, and anticipatory grief. It is a story about presence. About choosing faith—even if it feels fractured. And about a little girl whose humor, courage, and love leave a lasting imprint.
What does it mean to hold grief and joy at the same time?
In this tender conversation, Kate Bowler sits down with Sarah Wildman, mother of Orly—a bright, funny, and deeply beloved child who lived with pediatric cancer. Together, they explore what it’s like to face suffering with honesty, to laugh in the hardest moments, and to love without a guarantee of time.
This episode speaks to the sacred work of caregiving and the invisible strength of those walking through hospice care, chronic illness, and anticipatory grief. It is a story about presence. About choosing faith—even if it feels fractured. And about a little girl whose humor, courage, and love leave a lasting imprint.
