Uploaded November 2024 | Updated September 2026, 19 hours ago
Sasha and Stella welcome writers Carrie Clark and Helen Pluckrose to the show for thoughtful and provocative dialogue, critically examining the intersections of identity, sex-based rights, mental health, and societal influences. Drawing from both personal experiences and professional insights, they explore complex and sensitive ideas around self-expression, feminism, and gender, encouraging a nuanced and reflective perspective. The conversation also delves into the controversy following Genspect’s 2023 Bigger Picture Conference in Denver, known as "Blue Dress Gate," unpacking the cultural and social tensions surrounding the event.
For links and resources relevant to this episode, access the full show notes at
widerlenspod.com/p/episode-191
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Helen Pluckrose on Substack at: hpluckrose.com
Carrie Clark on Substack at: substack.com/@cwestonclark
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Sasha and Stella welcome writers Carrie Clark and Helen Pluckrose to the show for thoughtful and provocative dialogue, critically examining the intersections of identity, sex-based rights, mental health, and societal influences. Drawing from both personal experiences and professional insights, they explore complex and sensitive ideas around self-expression, feminism, and gender, encouraging a nuanced and reflective perspective. The conversation also delves into the controversy following Genspect’s 2023 Bigger Picture Conference in Denver, known as "Blue Dress Gate," unpacking the cultural and social tensions surrounding the event.
For links and resources relevant to this episode, access the full show notes at
widerlenspod.com/p/episode-191
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@cwestonclark on X: https://x.com/cwestonclark
@HPluckrose on X: https://x.com/HPluckrose
Helen Pluckrose on Substack at: hpluckrose.com
Carrie Clark on Substack at: substack.com/@cwestonclark
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Buy Our Book – When Kids Say They’re Trans: A Guide for Thoughtful Parents at whenkidssaytheyretrans.com
Join Our Listener Community to Access Exclusive Content at widerlenspod.com/
Support the Show at widerlenspod.com/p/support-the-show
Join this channel to get access to additional bonus content:
youtube.com/channel/UCP62aWWtlZV1oVnbMhTRBcg/join
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For more information about Sasha’s & Stella’s parent coaching membership groups, visit:
Sasha Ayad: sashaayad.com/parenting-coaching
@SashaLPC
Stella O’Malley: stellaomalley.com/parent-coaching
@stellaomalleypsychotherapist
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To learn more about our sponsors, visit:
Therapy First at therapyfirst.org
Genspect at genspect.org
