Based Camp with Simone & Malcolm Collins | Hamza Ahmed: How the Redpill Robbed Him of Fulfillment (The Adonis to Jeffrey Pipeline) @SimoneandMalcolm | Uploaded April 2024 | Updated October 2024, 19 minutes ago.
In this thought-provoking discussion, Malcolm and Simone delve into the world of male influencer Hamza and the growing trend of optimizing one's life around an aesthetic ideal of masculinity. They explore the similarities between this movement and the trans community, both of which prioritize gender identity as a central focus. The hosts also examine the cultural differences in gender roles and expectations, particularly between traditional American and Muslim or Eastern European backgrounds. They argue that defining one's moral system around an aesthetic can lead to despair and that true fulfillment comes from pursuing goals with intrinsic value. The discussion touches on the importance of finding a life partner who complements one's own values and the dangers of maintaining a false "frame" in relationships.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Hamza and the male aesthetic movement
03:40 Comparing the masculinity movement to the trans community
07:00 Aesthetic aspirations as a lifeline for young men
09:45 Cultural differences in idealized femininity
13:45 The allure of fighting and proving masculinity
16:35 Hamza's breakup and the countryside life
21:15 The rewards of rural living for Simone and Malcolm
26:30 The concept of maintaining frame in relationships
30:55 The unsustainability of constant frame maintenance
34:20 Distinguishing between frame and positive mindset
37:15 Aesthetic gender optimization and its pitfalls
41:35 Historical context for urban and rural gender roles
45:15 Masculinity and femininity as cultural constructs
47:20 The hierarchy of optimization: from survival to intrinsic value
50:25 Conclusion and final thoughts
In this thought-provoking discussion, Malcolm and Simone delve into the world of male influencer Hamza and the growing trend of optimizing one's life around an aesthetic ideal of masculinity. They explore the similarities between this movement and the trans community, both of which prioritize gender identity as a central focus. The hosts also examine the cultural differences in gender roles and expectations, particularly between traditional American and Muslim or Eastern European backgrounds. They argue that defining one's moral system around an aesthetic can lead to despair and that true fulfillment comes from pursuing goals with intrinsic value. The discussion touches on the importance of finding a life partner who complements one's own values and the dangers of maintaining a false "frame" in relationships.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Hamza and the male aesthetic movement
03:40 Comparing the masculinity movement to the trans community
07:00 Aesthetic aspirations as a lifeline for young men
09:45 Cultural differences in idealized femininity
13:45 The allure of fighting and proving masculinity
16:35 Hamza's breakup and the countryside life
21:15 The rewards of rural living for Simone and Malcolm
26:30 The concept of maintaining frame in relationships
30:55 The unsustainability of constant frame maintenance
34:20 Distinguishing between frame and positive mindset
37:15 Aesthetic gender optimization and its pitfalls
41:35 Historical context for urban and rural gender roles
45:15 Masculinity and femininity as cultural constructs
47:20 The hierarchy of optimization: from survival to intrinsic value
50:25 Conclusion and final thoughts
