Uploaded January 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago

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The UFO disclosure conversation is no longer moving in one direction. In this episode, Andy is joined by journalist Pavel to examine how David Grusch’s recent comments have exposed growing fractures inside the disclosure movement - including tensions around The Age of Disclosure, insider testimony, experiencers, and what the public is actually being told.

Check out Pavel's work - allmylinks.com/pavelanche

Timestamps
00:00 – Why disclosure feels different in 2026
05:00 – Grusch vs Clapper and The Age of Disclosure
12:30 – Is the public actually ready for the truth?
22:00 – Experiencers, belief, and skepticism
35:00 – Chris Bledsoe, belief systems, and control
52:00 – Nasca mummies: evidence or confusion?
1:08:00 – James Fox, Varginha & what comes next

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