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Despite historically loathing and delineating itself from ‘mainstream’ society, goth culture and identity finds itself interpolating broader systemic values as do all cultures under capitalism. On todays episode we will explore those behaviors and ideologies that seep in from they systemic framework of patriarchy and white supremacy and examine the subtle yet pernicious impact it has on our relationships and hierarchies within goth.
Our guests this month are Aimee:
mixcloud.com/hxdmia
instagram.com/hexedmiami
facebook.com/hexedmiami
Ellen
etsy.com/shop/RainsWonderland?fbclid=IwAR03nCUDsPes9wSj8MZQ7MGlwcuTp6LgFl2OCAmOd1hpPbqcSw8ZCrzpfS0
facebook.com/RainModel
youtube.com/channel/UC_2qyRq0Cu7DzmMtOf3q-PQ
and Sienna
instagram.com/sienna.bat/?hl=en
If you enjoy the show, please consider supporting us on Patreon!
patreon.com/cemeteryconfessions
Introduction
Goth Praxis 8:03
Systemic Racism and Goth 24:49
Skin Bleaching and Goth’s Association with Whiteness 38:19
Hierarchy and the Meritocracy of Goth Ephemera 1:00:03
Gatekeeping 1:07:03
Performative Allies, White Guilt, Tokenism 1:23:28
Separating Art from Artist 1:34:38
Spilling the Tea 1:46:03
Next Steps 1:55:33
Is Goth Neoliberal or Marxist 2:02:03
Sinister Suggestions 2:10:23
References:
-Bloodstream Covers Sonsombre
instagram.com/tv/CNET3bjnW8u
-Son’s of the Confederacy
slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/09/the-sons-of-confederate-veterans-are-the-guardians-of-white-innocence.html?fbclid=IwAR0xWPl9McuqtgdRBZcdd8SnzV6NcB2keS0KakmL1gY5D3rhYgiTqeowWQI
-Cloak and Dagger
latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-03-21/cloak-and-dagger-goth-nightclub-closed-sexual-misconduct-claims#:~:text=L.A.%20Goth%20nightclub%20known%20for,%E2%80%9Cthe%20safest%20space%20possible.%E2%80%9D
-Joy Division’s Nazi EP Cover
post-punk.com/40-years-of-joy-divisions-an-ideal-for-living
-Skin Bleaching
byrdie.com/skin-bleaching
-IBF and Goth’s Whiteness
diningwithdana.net/is-pale-gothic-foundation-on-dark-skin-a-sign-of-insecurity/?fbclid=IwAR32P6bIfDKoP3--AqaG-dJp1LoMJ8mIF9dXOxs40GgtAgJNHO7-R70QKsI
-Goth Makeup for Darker Skin
diningwithdana.net/goth-makeup-for-dark-skin/?fbclid=IwAR2swi5hDcu5X8wJa9EQVWye6GW_3IQc9jSblQEDlRM3OHfcKDqMduWjReo
-Commitment Against Racism
janeelliott.com/commitment
-Black Activists to Follow
kepplerspeakers.com/college-theater-events/category/black-history-month-u
-Indigenous Activists to Follow
medium.com/tmi-consulting-inc/10-native-american-activists-you-should-know-e9d7c7fb78c2
-Latinx Activists to Follow
blog.kipp.org/teamandfamily/siempre-luchando-10-latinx-womxn-activists
-Asian Activists to Follow
scarymommy.com/asian-american-women-activists
-Black Skin vs. Pale Aesthetic
theblogginggoth.com/2016/02/17/when-they-invent-a-darker-colour-black-skin-versus-the-pale-aesthetic
-I’m so Goth I Was Born Black
coilhouse.net/2012/09/i-am-so-goth-i-was-born-black
-San La Muerte Fest
facebook.com/SanLaMuerteFestival
-Goth So White
google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.post-punk.com%2Fgoth-so-white-black-representation-in-the-post-punk-scene%2F&sa=D&source=editors&usg=AOvVaw3ClLdi6paJD4A54OBgzJ8k&ust=1624983207508000
-Nazi Goths Fuck Off
antifascistnews.net/2015/11/10/nazi-goths-fuck-off-it-is-time-to-shut-down-death-in-june-again
-What Ends When Symbols Shatter
whomakesthenazis.com/2010/11/what-ends-when-symbols-shatter-my-time.html
-Black History and America’s Gothic Soul
amazon.com/Darkly-Black-History-Americas-Gothic/dp/1912248549
-Racial Doll Test
youtu.be/tkpUyB2xgTM
-Obscura Undead: Goth is Political
youtu.be/JuAZZCiXkYg
-Consumer Identity
youtu.be/X9Lf1GcG5M4
-Meritocracy
youtu.be/GT2iU9pAI_Y
-Neo-liberal Wokeism
youtu.be/GnUqrF9mAA8
-Colorism in Goth
instagram.com/tv/CQKlGSHnkf2/?hl=en
-Extreme Politics in Underground Music
thequietus.com/articles/25682-fascism-underground-music-racism-industrial-black-metal-noise
-Recognizing Race Reductionism
youtu.be/nwCSs0T5Tbk
Despite historically loathing and delineating itself from ‘mainstream’ society, goth culture and identity finds itself interpolating broader systemic values as do all cultures under capitalism. On todays episode we will explore those behaviors and ideologies that seep in from they systemic framework of patriarchy and white supremacy and examine the subtle yet pernicious impact it has on our relationships and hierarchies within goth.
Our guests this month are Aimee:
mixcloud.com/hxdmia
instagram.com/hexedmiami
facebook.com/hexedmiami
Ellen
etsy.com/shop/RainsWonderland?fbclid=IwAR03nCUDsPes9wSj8MZQ7MGlwcuTp6LgFl2OCAmOd1hpPbqcSw8ZCrzpfS0
facebook.com/RainModel
youtube.com/channel/UC_2qyRq0Cu7DzmMtOf3q-PQ
and Sienna
instagram.com/sienna.bat/?hl=en
If you enjoy the show, please consider supporting us on Patreon!
patreon.com/cemeteryconfessions
Introduction
Goth Praxis 8:03
Systemic Racism and Goth 24:49
Skin Bleaching and Goth’s Association with Whiteness 38:19
Hierarchy and the Meritocracy of Goth Ephemera 1:00:03
Gatekeeping 1:07:03
Performative Allies, White Guilt, Tokenism 1:23:28
Separating Art from Artist 1:34:38
Spilling the Tea 1:46:03
Next Steps 1:55:33
Is Goth Neoliberal or Marxist 2:02:03
Sinister Suggestions 2:10:23
References:
-Bloodstream Covers Sonsombre
instagram.com/tv/CNET3bjnW8u
-Son’s of the Confederacy
slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/09/the-sons-of-confederate-veterans-are-the-guardians-of-white-innocence.html?fbclid=IwAR0xWPl9McuqtgdRBZcdd8SnzV6NcB2keS0KakmL1gY5D3rhYgiTqeowWQI
-Cloak and Dagger
latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-03-21/cloak-and-dagger-goth-nightclub-closed-sexual-misconduct-claims#:~:text=L.A.%20Goth%20nightclub%20known%20for,%E2%80%9Cthe%20safest%20space%20possible.%E2%80%9D
-Joy Division’s Nazi EP Cover
post-punk.com/40-years-of-joy-divisions-an-ideal-for-living
-Skin Bleaching
byrdie.com/skin-bleaching
-IBF and Goth’s Whiteness
diningwithdana.net/is-pale-gothic-foundation-on-dark-skin-a-sign-of-insecurity/?fbclid=IwAR32P6bIfDKoP3--AqaG-dJp1LoMJ8mIF9dXOxs40GgtAgJNHO7-R70QKsI
-Goth Makeup for Darker Skin
diningwithdana.net/goth-makeup-for-dark-skin/?fbclid=IwAR2swi5hDcu5X8wJa9EQVWye6GW_3IQc9jSblQEDlRM3OHfcKDqMduWjReo
-Commitment Against Racism
janeelliott.com/commitment
-Black Activists to Follow
kepplerspeakers.com/college-theater-events/category/black-history-month-u
-Indigenous Activists to Follow
medium.com/tmi-consulting-inc/10-native-american-activists-you-should-know-e9d7c7fb78c2
-Latinx Activists to Follow
blog.kipp.org/teamandfamily/siempre-luchando-10-latinx-womxn-activists
-Asian Activists to Follow
scarymommy.com/asian-american-women-activists
-Black Skin vs. Pale Aesthetic
theblogginggoth.com/2016/02/17/when-they-invent-a-darker-colour-black-skin-versus-the-pale-aesthetic
-I’m so Goth I Was Born Black
coilhouse.net/2012/09/i-am-so-goth-i-was-born-black
-San La Muerte Fest
facebook.com/SanLaMuerteFestival
-Goth So White
google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.post-punk.com%2Fgoth-so-white-black-representation-in-the-post-punk-scene%2F&sa=D&source=editors&usg=AOvVaw3ClLdi6paJD4A54OBgzJ8k&ust=1624983207508000
-Nazi Goths Fuck Off
antifascistnews.net/2015/11/10/nazi-goths-fuck-off-it-is-time-to-shut-down-death-in-june-again
-What Ends When Symbols Shatter
whomakesthenazis.com/2010/11/what-ends-when-symbols-shatter-my-time.html
-Black History and America’s Gothic Soul
amazon.com/Darkly-Black-History-Americas-Gothic/dp/1912248549
-Racial Doll Test
youtu.be/tkpUyB2xgTM
-Obscura Undead: Goth is Political
youtu.be/JuAZZCiXkYg
-Consumer Identity
youtu.be/X9Lf1GcG5M4
-Meritocracy
youtu.be/GT2iU9pAI_Y
-Neo-liberal Wokeism
youtu.be/GnUqrF9mAA8
-Colorism in Goth
instagram.com/tv/CQKlGSHnkf2/?hl=en
-Extreme Politics in Underground Music
thequietus.com/articles/25682-fascism-underground-music-racism-industrial-black-metal-noise
-Recognizing Race Reductionism
youtu.be/nwCSs0T5Tbk
