Uploaded March 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
Everything you build around the model is already losing value.
Varun Mohan and Kevin Hou know this better than most.
On this episode of _*Builders,*_ they talk about building Antigravity, an agent-first coding environment, and how their approach rethinks where real leverage in AI is actually heading.
_"Anything you build around the model, you have to imagine is a massively depreciating asset. Is the model gonna be able to do it itself? If your bet is no, you're probably on the wrong side of the equation."_ - Varun Mohan
_"If you cannot get your agent to debug itself, to create features without you holding its hand, if you're typing, you will get left behind."_ - Kevin Hou
_"There is a maximum size of the team. The productivity gains of AI need to outpace headcount."_ - Varun Mohan
_"Don't overbuild, don't build rigid structures around the model, let the model breathe. There should be capabilities that unlock and problems that took days, months of engineering time can suddenly go away."_ - Kevin Hou
*Guests:* Varun Mohan - Director of Engineering, Google DeepMind and Kevin Hou - Engineering Manager, Google DeepMind
Connect with Varun Mohan
X: https://x.com/_mohansolo
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/varunkmohan
Connect with Kevin Hou
X: https://x.com/kevinhou22
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kevinhou22
Connect with Josh Coyne
X: https://x.com/josh_coyne
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joshuacoyne
Connect with Leigh Marie Braswell
X: https://x.com/LM_Braswell
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/leigh-marie-braswell
Learn more about Kleiner Perkins: kleinerperkins.com
Everything you build around the model is already losing value.
Varun Mohan and Kevin Hou know this better than most.
On this episode of _*Builders,*_ they talk about building Antigravity, an agent-first coding environment, and how their approach rethinks where real leverage in AI is actually heading.
_"Anything you build around the model, you have to imagine is a massively depreciating asset. Is the model gonna be able to do it itself? If your bet is no, you're probably on the wrong side of the equation."_ - Varun Mohan
_"If you cannot get your agent to debug itself, to create features without you holding its hand, if you're typing, you will get left behind."_ - Kevin Hou
_"There is a maximum size of the team. The productivity gains of AI need to outpace headcount."_ - Varun Mohan
_"Don't overbuild, don't build rigid structures around the model, let the model breathe. There should be capabilities that unlock and problems that took days, months of engineering time can suddenly go away."_ - Kevin Hou
*Guests:* Varun Mohan - Director of Engineering, Google DeepMind and Kevin Hou - Engineering Manager, Google DeepMind
Connect with Varun Mohan
X: https://x.com/_mohansolo
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/varunkmohan
Connect with Kevin Hou
X: https://x.com/kevinhou22
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kevinhou22
Connect with Josh Coyne
X: https://x.com/josh_coyne
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joshuacoyne
Connect with Leigh Marie Braswell
X: https://x.com/LM_Braswell
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/leigh-marie-braswell
Learn more about Kleiner Perkins: kleinerperkins.com
