Uploaded October 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
đź’ Season 3 Episode 26 - Chris Zimmerman and Brian Fleming đź’
It's a one-two move with Sucker Punch's Chris Zimmerman and Brian Fleming. Now shipping Ghost of Yotei, they tell us about leaving Microsoft for Sony and becoming a gamedev powerhouse. Tales of exact pitches and being great instead of good - this week!
Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and let us know in the comments which Sucker Punch game is your favorite!
Thank you to our amazing sponsors for helping make this video possible:
🔥Amber Studios: amberstudio.com
🔥Curse Forge: curseforge.com
🔥IGDA: igda.org
🔥High Vibe PR: highvibepr.com
Thank you for listening to our podcast all about video games and the amazing people who bring them to life!
Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
Producer: Kimya Taheri
Art: Paul Russel
Community Manager: Doug Zartman
Featuring Liberation by 505
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TIMESTAMPS:
[00:00:00] Intro: Meet Sucker Punch (Chris Zimmerman & Brian Fleming)
[00:02:30] “Name it Anything But Sucker Punch”
[00:08:34] Early Days at Microsoft
[00:15:57] Growing Up in the “Right” Place
[00:23:20] Leaving Microsoft and Starting Sucker Punch
[00:36:40] The Silver Lining
[00:45:12] Was Sony the Right Choice?
[00:49:06] How Ghost of Tsushima Started
[00:59:39] The Studio Now vs. Then and COVID’s Impact
#SuckerPunch #ghostofyotei #ghostoftsushima #infamous #games #podcast #gamedesign
đź’ Season 3 Episode 26 - Chris Zimmerman and Brian Fleming đź’
It's a one-two move with Sucker Punch's Chris Zimmerman and Brian Fleming. Now shipping Ghost of Yotei, they tell us about leaving Microsoft for Sony and becoming a gamedev powerhouse. Tales of exact pitches and being great instead of good - this week!
Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and let us know in the comments which Sucker Punch game is your favorite!
Thank you to our amazing sponsors for helping make this video possible:
🔥Amber Studios: amberstudio.com
🔥Curse Forge: curseforge.com
🔥IGDA: igda.org
🔥High Vibe PR: highvibepr.com
Thank you for listening to our podcast all about video games and the amazing people who bring them to life!
Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin
Audio Editor: Bryen Hensley
Video Editor: Sarkis Grigorian
Producer: Kimya Taheri
Art: Paul Russel
Community Manager: Doug Zartman
Featuring Liberation by 505
Find us at thefourthcurtain.com
Join our Patreon for early, ad-free episodes plus bonus content! patreon.com/FourthCurtain
Come join the conversation in our Discord: discord.gg/KWeGE4xHfe
TIMESTAMPS:
[00:00:00] Intro: Meet Sucker Punch (Chris Zimmerman & Brian Fleming)
[00:02:30] “Name it Anything But Sucker Punch”
[00:08:34] Early Days at Microsoft
[00:15:57] Growing Up in the “Right” Place
[00:23:20] Leaving Microsoft and Starting Sucker Punch
[00:36:40] The Silver Lining
[00:45:12] Was Sony the Right Choice?
[00:49:06] How Ghost of Tsushima Started
[00:59:39] The Studio Now vs. Then and COVID’s Impact
#SuckerPunch #ghostofyotei #ghostoftsushima #infamous #games #podcast #gamedesign
