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*Build Your First AI Employee (Free Workflow + Prompt):* clickhubspot.com/ao2m
Nick Vasilescu., co-founder of Orgo, builds a fully autonomous AI employee LIVE in one podcast — an agent that re-engages your dormant customers, drafts email sequences, runs on cron jobs, and pays for itself by tomorrow.
Kieran walks through the exact 5-tool stack any marketer or operator can copy today: Orgo (the agent's cloud computer), Hermes (the agent harness), GLM 5.2 (the model that costs a fraction of Claude Opus), Composio (one connector for every tool), AgentMail (the agent's own inbox), and an Obsidian vault as the agent's second brain.
⏱️ CHAPTERS:
00:00 — Build your first AI employee in this episode
00:40 — Meet Nick V. & Orgo: cloud computers for AI agents
02:00 — Start with a workflow, not full autonomy
03:30 — The use case: re-engage dormant customers and leads
04:40 — The stack: AgentMail, Hermes, GLM 5.2
05:20 — GLM 5.2: the DeepSeek moment for agent models
06:50 — Composio: one connector, every tool
08:20 — Why every AI agent needs its own computer
11:00 — Templates: a Hermes agent pre-installed in 20 seconds
12:00 — Why Hermes beats OpenClaw for reliability
14:40 — Do marketers still need to think in workflows?
16:30 — Loops: describe a goal, not the steps
18:00 — Model pricing: 98¢ GLM vs $5 Opus
19:20 — Wiring Composio into your Hermes agent
20:20 — Obsidian vaults: giving your agent a second brain
26:10 — AgentMail: give your agent its own inbox
27:00 — The agent builds a full re-engagement sequence live
29:10 — Safety: agent needs its own inbox, not yours
33:00 — Nick's 5-step recap of the stack
34:50 — Cloning agents: build a fleet of AI employees
36:20 — Wrap: what to build tonight
Ep 433 Mentions
Nick Vasilescu nickvasilescu.com
Orgo orgo.ai
Hermes Agent hermes-agent.nousresearch.com
Composio https://composio.dev
OpenClaw openclaw.ai
GLM 5.2 https://z.ai/chat
Obsidian https://obsidian.md
📌 WHAT WE COVER:
→ Why "start with one workflow" beats "build a fully autonomous employee"
→ The dormant-customer re-engagement play (highest-lever workflow in most businesses)
→ Why GLM 5.2 is the "DeepSeek moment" for agent models — $0.98 vs $5 for Opus
→ Composio: one connector that plugs your agent into every tool you already use
→ Why every AI agent needs its own cloud computer (and its own email inbox)
→ Templates in Orgo: spin up a pre-installed Hermes agent in 20 seconds
→ Why Hermes beats OpenClaw (Peter Steinberger's tool, acquired by OpenAI) for reliability
→ Loops: describe a goal, not a sequence of steps — and the agent figures it out
→ Kieran's personal Obsidian "second brain" setup — the thing that changed his workflow the most
→ Cron jobs: how to schedule your agent to run on autopilot
→ The safety pattern: why your agent needs its own inbox (not yours)
→ Cloning agents: from one AI employee to a whole team you manage from your phone
🎙️ Host: Kieran Flanagan
Guest: Nick Vasilescu., Co-founder & Head of Growth, Orgo
Youtube: youtube.com/@nickvasiles
Personal Website: nickvasilescu.com
📺 Subscribe to Marketing Against the Grain for weekly episodes on AI, growth, and marketing without the fluff.
#AIemployee #AIagents #MarketingAgainstTheGrain #Orgo #HermesAgent #Composio #GLM #AIforMarketers #AItools2026 #AutonomousAgents #AgentMail #ObsidianVault #DormantCustomers #AIforBusiness #ClaudeOpus
Host Links:
📲Kipp Bodnar, twitter.com/kippbodnar
📲Kieran Flanagan, twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Hubspot's SVP of Marketing, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
*Build Your First AI Employee (Free Workflow + Prompt):* clickhubspot.com/ao2m
Nick Vasilescu., co-founder of Orgo, builds a fully autonomous AI employee LIVE in one podcast — an agent that re-engages your dormant customers, drafts email sequences, runs on cron jobs, and pays for itself by tomorrow.
Kieran walks through the exact 5-tool stack any marketer or operator can copy today: Orgo (the agent's cloud computer), Hermes (the agent harness), GLM 5.2 (the model that costs a fraction of Claude Opus), Composio (one connector for every tool), AgentMail (the agent's own inbox), and an Obsidian vault as the agent's second brain.
⏱️ CHAPTERS:
00:00 — Build your first AI employee in this episode
00:40 — Meet Nick V. & Orgo: cloud computers for AI agents
02:00 — Start with a workflow, not full autonomy
03:30 — The use case: re-engage dormant customers and leads
04:40 — The stack: AgentMail, Hermes, GLM 5.2
05:20 — GLM 5.2: the DeepSeek moment for agent models
06:50 — Composio: one connector, every tool
08:20 — Why every AI agent needs its own computer
11:00 — Templates: a Hermes agent pre-installed in 20 seconds
12:00 — Why Hermes beats OpenClaw for reliability
14:40 — Do marketers still need to think in workflows?
16:30 — Loops: describe a goal, not the steps
18:00 — Model pricing: 98¢ GLM vs $5 Opus
19:20 — Wiring Composio into your Hermes agent
20:20 — Obsidian vaults: giving your agent a second brain
26:10 — AgentMail: give your agent its own inbox
27:00 — The agent builds a full re-engagement sequence live
29:10 — Safety: agent needs its own inbox, not yours
33:00 — Nick's 5-step recap of the stack
34:50 — Cloning agents: build a fleet of AI employees
36:20 — Wrap: what to build tonight
Ep 433 Mentions
Nick Vasilescu nickvasilescu.com
Orgo orgo.ai
Hermes Agent hermes-agent.nousresearch.com
Composio https://composio.dev
OpenClaw openclaw.ai
GLM 5.2 https://z.ai/chat
Obsidian https://obsidian.md
📌 WHAT WE COVER:
→ Why "start with one workflow" beats "build a fully autonomous employee"
→ The dormant-customer re-engagement play (highest-lever workflow in most businesses)
→ Why GLM 5.2 is the "DeepSeek moment" for agent models — $0.98 vs $5 for Opus
→ Composio: one connector that plugs your agent into every tool you already use
→ Why every AI agent needs its own cloud computer (and its own email inbox)
→ Templates in Orgo: spin up a pre-installed Hermes agent in 20 seconds
→ Why Hermes beats OpenClaw (Peter Steinberger's tool, acquired by OpenAI) for reliability
→ Loops: describe a goal, not a sequence of steps — and the agent figures it out
→ Kieran's personal Obsidian "second brain" setup — the thing that changed his workflow the most
→ Cron jobs: how to schedule your agent to run on autopilot
→ The safety pattern: why your agent needs its own inbox (not yours)
→ Cloning agents: from one AI employee to a whole team you manage from your phone
🎙️ Host: Kieran Flanagan
Guest: Nick Vasilescu., Co-founder & Head of Growth, Orgo
Youtube: youtube.com/@nickvasiles
Personal Website: nickvasilescu.com
📺 Subscribe to Marketing Against the Grain for weekly episodes on AI, growth, and marketing without the fluff.
#AIemployee #AIagents #MarketingAgainstTheGrain #Orgo #HermesAgent #Composio #GLM #AIforMarketers #AItools2026 #AutonomousAgents #AgentMail #ObsidianVault #DormantCustomers #AIforBusiness #ClaudeOpus
Host Links:
📲Kipp Bodnar, twitter.com/kippbodnar
📲Kieran Flanagan, twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Hubspot's SVP of Marketing, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
