Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 hour ago

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When people ask for your opinions about UFOs, are the little green men from The X-Files the first things that pop in your head?

Michael Jawer, author of the upcoming book What UFOs Really Are, believes we should be less focused on aliens flying in the sky and directing our attention on our inner selves and downward to living things anchored on the ground like plants, trees and fungi.

Join Paul and Michael on a wide-ranging conversation that could make you look at reality in a brand-new way this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Michael’s work on his website ( michaeljawer.com/home ) and Linkedin ( linkedin.com/in/michael-jawer-b117821 ).

Listen to Paul's conversation with Michael Jawer and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/412-forget-little-green-men-consider-the-sentient-theory-of-ufos-uaps-with-michael-jawer or watch the entire episode on YouTube at youtu.be/i43Z3xXshOs?si=F8puoEsbCMFUcX8z

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