Uploaded August 2013 | Updated September 2026, 2 hours ago
The article in question - "If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?" by Lindy West on Jezebel.com
jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy
I dunno if I explained myself well enough in the video, so I'll give you a brief summation here...
There are legitimate issues that men face that deserve to be discussed. But having mostly women talk about them in a way that frames them as women's issues, within an ideological movement that focuses on women, to the effect that any benefits men gain from the discussion are more likely just side effects than accomplished goals, seems counter-intuitive to me. Men need to be part of the discussion if the discussion is about men, and really, it should be taking place within an ideological space of itself, not within feminism.
This is not a rejection of feminism, or what it has done for women or society at large. But merely need for an intellectual complement to feminism that works in tandem with it, rather than against it, but within a space of its own, with it's own identity.
Unfortunately, the 'Men's Rights Movement' that we already have is largely populated by misogynist, homophobic, entitled cry-babies. It is full of men who grew up expecting women to act within patriarchal norms, who are now throwing their toys out of the pram upon realising that's not going to happen. It is as much (if not more) about opposing feminism and blaming it for the challenges men face rather than maturely and thoughtfully addressing them from a cooperative, evidence-led perspective.
(BTW - I recorded this a week or so ago, so it's actually no longer anywhere near as hot right now. Just FYI.)
The article in question - "If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?" by Lindy West on Jezebel.com
jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy
I dunno if I explained myself well enough in the video, so I'll give you a brief summation here...
There are legitimate issues that men face that deserve to be discussed. But having mostly women talk about them in a way that frames them as women's issues, within an ideological movement that focuses on women, to the effect that any benefits men gain from the discussion are more likely just side effects than accomplished goals, seems counter-intuitive to me. Men need to be part of the discussion if the discussion is about men, and really, it should be taking place within an ideological space of itself, not within feminism.
This is not a rejection of feminism, or what it has done for women or society at large. But merely need for an intellectual complement to feminism that works in tandem with it, rather than against it, but within a space of its own, with it's own identity.
Unfortunately, the 'Men's Rights Movement' that we already have is largely populated by misogynist, homophobic, entitled cry-babies. It is full of men who grew up expecting women to act within patriarchal norms, who are now throwing their toys out of the pram upon realising that's not going to happen. It is as much (if not more) about opposing feminism and blaming it for the challenges men face rather than maturely and thoughtfully addressing them from a cooperative, evidence-led perspective.
(BTW - I recorded this a week or so ago, so it's actually no longer anywhere near as hot right now. Just FYI.)
