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0:00 Bob defends the Unabomber (kind of)
2:41 Paul nurses his Mickey-inflicted wounds
15:31 Bob deflates the GPT-5 deflation
24:55 How big a deal are LLM hallucinations?
27:46 AI's coming social and economic disruptions
34:53 How Bob and Paul use AI
38:52 The ideas of Hanno Sauer
47:51 Heading to Overtime

Discussed in Overtime:
Bob reviews Paul’s review of the Billy Joel documentary.
MSNBC's digital origins.
The weird rationale for the mRNA funding cut.
Corporate name changes and the euphemism treadmill.
More Sydney Sweeney fallout.

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (https://smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded August 19, 2025.

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