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Deep dive into all things islamic psychology and mental health from the 2025 2nd Annual Usuli Conference. Purchase your tickets for the 3rd Annual Usuli Conference now! Early Bird pricing ends July 31st. bit.ly/usulicon26

A conversation between Cherif Abou El Fadl and Dr. Heather Laird recorded 12 October 2025 at the 2nd Annual Usuli Conference.

The first conversation between Dr. Laird and Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl
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