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For the reflection that helped inspire this conversation, "Out of Control as Controlling":
youtube.com/watch?v=bnLQE0BJR_c&t=19s
From Michelle: 'Feeling out of control originates from a controlling spirit. It’s important to identify this because otherwise we easily slip into a victim mindset. When we can understand and live from the place of our self-control and fully accept what we can’t control, we have a lot more agency and freedom, and that 'out of control' feeling subsides readily. At the same time, when we commit and live from a daily practice of self-control, we profoundly benefit and impact those around us.'
For the reflection that helped inspire this conversation, "Out of Control as Controlling":
youtube.com/watch?v=bnLQE0BJR_c&t=19s
From Michelle: 'Feeling out of control originates from a controlling spirit. It’s important to identify this because otherwise we easily slip into a victim mindset. When we can understand and live from the place of our self-control and fully accept what we can’t control, we have a lot more agency and freedom, and that 'out of control' feeling subsides readily. At the same time, when we commit and live from a daily practice of self-control, we profoundly benefit and impact those around us.'





![Episode 27: A Convivial Renaissance
O.G. Rose S2E27: A Convivial Renaissance
Tools for Conviviality is an important book by Ivan Illich, who we had the pleasure of teaching on at Parallax in 2023. A quote from Illich:
‘I choose the term ‘conviviality’ to designate the opposite of industrial productivity. I intend it to mean autonomous and creative intercourse among persons, and the intercourse of persons with their environment […] I believe that, in any society, as conviviality is reduced below a certain level, no amount of industrial productivity can effectively satisfy the needs it creates among society’s members.’
What would it look like if we took the SCM seriously and enabled it contribute to coordination in numerous areas of life? What would happen if we took Illich seriously on Disablement, regulation, and certification? What might a phrase like Convivial Renaissance mean?
Also, if you are interested in Illich, check out information on an upcoming Symposium at the Wagon Box, September 11-13. Visit Matthew Stanleys excellent Substack for more:
https://samsara.substack.com/p/100-years-of-ivan-illich
For our website:
https://www.og-rose.com/ Episode 27: A Convivial Renaissance](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H_4KHdRvv1Y/mqdefault.jpg)




