Uploaded April 2023 | Updated September 2026, 16 hours ago
This episode is a powerful and important conversation exposing the increasingly devastating impact of the conflation between gender identity theory and the experience of living with gender dysphoria.
In this episode, Sasha & Stella speak with Rose who wishes to remain anonymous. Rose is the mother of two young sons and lives in the United States. In August of 2022, she published the piece “True Believer” on the Parents with Inconvenient Truths around Trans (PITT) Substack. She wrote “True Believer” to share her story and help other parents and concerned adults who are struggling to understand the dynamics underneath the current phenomenon of transgender children. Rose’s first-hand perspective is unique in that she and her partner were "affirming parents" — they thought their four-year-old son could be transgender and chose to socially transition him, only to realize they were wrong.
Rose’s story is incredibly important because, at its core, it’s a simple case of the best of intentions garnering devastating impact. This is a humanized account of the pain, distress, confusion, fear, and regret that so many families are facing in the wake of doing what “experts” told them was best for their child.
Links:
Rose’s original piece published on Parents with Inconvenient Truths around Trans (PITT) Substack:
“True Believer” — pitt.substack.com/p/true-believer
Rose’s appearance episode of Triggernometry podcast —
youtube.com/watch?v=dBRJorDjG88
Rose’s follow-up piece on PITT provides further reflections on the Triggernometry interview:
“A Return to Reality” — pitt.substack.com/p/a-return-to-reality
Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers by Gordon Neufeld and Gabor Maté, MD
amazon.com/Hold-Your-Kids-Parents-Matter/dp/0375760288/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1680628544&sr=8-1
Eliza Mondagreen:
twitter.com/elizamondegreen/status/1625925867053383700
Neufeld Institute — neufeldinstitute.org/resources/free
Dr. Gordon Neufeld — “Becoming the Answer a Child Needs”
A Map of Detransition Island — genspect.org/infographics/#island
“Dear Theodosia”, from Hamilton (the Musical by Lin-Manuel Miranda)
music.youtube.com/watch?v=TKpJjdKcjeo
“The Way Forward Is with a Broken Heart” — Quote/Book by Alice Walker
If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting:
“1 — Trans: Identity vs Dysphoria”
youtu.be/t8m8lc9xVyo
“31 — Silencing Thought: A Conversation with Heather Brunskell-Evans”
youtu.be/UzrTWOAQcR4
“53 — You Affirmed Your Child's Gender... How to Roll Back”
youtu.be/z5GudF8dCHw
“78 — Affirming Reality for Kids with Stephanie Davies-Arai”
youtu.be/kV1_XiN4gDs
Please visit widerlenspod.com to explore more content, access additional resources, or join our listener community.
To learn more about our sponsors, visit:
rethinkime.org
genspect.org
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
05:51 Interview with Rose starts
08:28 Rose explains the belief system
19:50 If this is what we believe, what do we need to do with it?
25:10 Joining the support group
37:00 “I wanted nothing more than to turn back the clock”
46:00 The importance of accepting and grieving futility
55:00 A story of child suggestibility
01:01:00 This was an adult burden given to him by adults
01:04:28 Coming out of the belief system
01:11:00 We are gardeners, not sculptors
This episode is a powerful and important conversation exposing the increasingly devastating impact of the conflation between gender identity theory and the experience of living with gender dysphoria.
In this episode, Sasha & Stella speak with Rose who wishes to remain anonymous. Rose is the mother of two young sons and lives in the United States. In August of 2022, she published the piece “True Believer” on the Parents with Inconvenient Truths around Trans (PITT) Substack. She wrote “True Believer” to share her story and help other parents and concerned adults who are struggling to understand the dynamics underneath the current phenomenon of transgender children. Rose’s first-hand perspective is unique in that she and her partner were "affirming parents" — they thought their four-year-old son could be transgender and chose to socially transition him, only to realize they were wrong.
Rose’s story is incredibly important because, at its core, it’s a simple case of the best of intentions garnering devastating impact. This is a humanized account of the pain, distress, confusion, fear, and regret that so many families are facing in the wake of doing what “experts” told them was best for their child.
Links:
Rose’s original piece published on Parents with Inconvenient Truths around Trans (PITT) Substack:
“True Believer” — pitt.substack.com/p/true-believer
Rose’s appearance episode of Triggernometry podcast —
youtube.com/watch?v=dBRJorDjG88
Rose’s follow-up piece on PITT provides further reflections on the Triggernometry interview:
“A Return to Reality” — pitt.substack.com/p/a-return-to-reality
Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers by Gordon Neufeld and Gabor Maté, MD
amazon.com/Hold-Your-Kids-Parents-Matter/dp/0375760288/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1680628544&sr=8-1
Eliza Mondagreen:
twitter.com/elizamondegreen/status/1625925867053383700
Neufeld Institute — neufeldinstitute.org/resources/free
Dr. Gordon Neufeld — “Becoming the Answer a Child Needs”
A Map of Detransition Island — genspect.org/infographics/#island
“Dear Theodosia”, from Hamilton (the Musical by Lin-Manuel Miranda)
music.youtube.com/watch?v=TKpJjdKcjeo
“The Way Forward Is with a Broken Heart” — Quote/Book by Alice Walker
If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting:
“1 — Trans: Identity vs Dysphoria”
youtu.be/t8m8lc9xVyo
“31 — Silencing Thought: A Conversation with Heather Brunskell-Evans”
youtu.be/UzrTWOAQcR4
“53 — You Affirmed Your Child's Gender... How to Roll Back”
youtu.be/z5GudF8dCHw
“78 — Affirming Reality for Kids with Stephanie Davies-Arai”
youtu.be/kV1_XiN4gDs
Please visit widerlenspod.com to explore more content, access additional resources, or join our listener community.
To learn more about our sponsors, visit:
rethinkime.org
genspect.org
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
05:51 Interview with Rose starts
08:28 Rose explains the belief system
19:50 If this is what we believe, what do we need to do with it?
25:10 Joining the support group
37:00 “I wanted nothing more than to turn back the clock”
46:00 The importance of accepting and grieving futility
55:00 A story of child suggestibility
01:01:00 This was an adult burden given to him by adults
01:04:28 Coming out of the belief system
01:11:00 We are gardeners, not sculptors
