Uploaded April 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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This week Sam speaks with Wayne Besen, longtime activist with ⁠Truth Wins Out⁠ (truthwinsout.org/), the pioneering LGBTQ rights organization that has led the fight against so-called “conversion therapy.” They talk about the recent (terrible) Supreme Court ruling on this cruel and anti-scientific quackery and the movement that is needed to stop fascism in the US now.

As MAGA attempts to consolidate fascism across society, Refuse Fascism is gearing up for outpourings in the streets around the country for May 1 (May Day): bringing the message that Trump Must Go Now into the movement so that people feel their power where it really lies (hint: it’s not the midterms).⁠ Get involved by marching with us on May 1: refusefascism.org/action/action-calendar

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown