Uploaded January 2024 | Updated September 2026, 37 minutes ago
In this week’s Team Never Quit episode, Marcus and Melanie have the pleasure of hosting Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, a well-respected functional medicine practitioner and the founder of the Institute for Muscle-Centric Medicine®. Dr. Lyon is a leading expert in brain and thyroid health, lean body mass support, and longevity. Her insights into optimizing health and vitality are grounded in a wealth of knowledge and experience.
She challenges the notion that becoming frail is a passive process, emphasizing the power of choice in shaping one’s health and longevity.
By identifying emotional, environmental, and psychological barriers to lasting health, Dr. Lyon guides individuals in designing personalized action plans and advanced nutrition interventions.
Her philosophy revolves around the idea that vibrant health and longevity are achievable by unlocking one’s potential for wellness through dedicated effort and personalized strategies.
Join us in this enlightening conversation with Dr. Gabrielle Lyon as we explore the dynamic relationship between personalized health interventions and the foundation of an exceptional life. Learn how you too can unlock your potential for vibrant health and longevity.
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In this episode you will hear:
• I don’t make resolutions. I set standards. (1:34)
• I never changed my direction. From 17 to where I am now, my direction never changed. I studied nutritional sciences. I was lucky enough to train under one of the world leading experts in protein metabolism. (10:46)
• I was very unimpressed with the physical ability to be good at sports. (11:32)
• I’ve always been interested in being of service. The worst thing someone could be is not be useful. (15:45)
• I was always interested in being fit. (18:44)
• I had this moment – “What the fuck are we doing?” You’re telling people to do these things, they’re following it, and we’re not telling them the right information. (22:12)
• The biggest piece of advice as people are thinking about the new year: Don’t be surprised that you don’t want to go to the gym. Everybody is shocked. Plan for your weaknesses. (26:37)
• There’s a lot of misinformation in the nutrition space. (27:33)
• No, red meat is not killing the planet. (27:43)
• Eat for strength. Everything else is a smokescreen. (27:45)
• Policy, politics, money influences everything. (29:50)
• There’s a lot of talk about eating for your blood type. There isn’t evidence to support it. (35:46)
• I take care of special operators, and early cancer detection. (49:54)
• The other group of individuals are very entrepreneurial, motivated, mavericks, innovators, and moms. It’s an architect of a person. (50:23)
• You wanna know our family motto? DBAP – Don’t be a pussy. (60:24)
• This is about a mission that could change the narrative of medicine. (61:42)
• Dr. Lyon’s Supplement recommendations: Mitopure (Urolithin A – a postbiotic), Vitamin D, Fish Oil, and a good multi-vitamin.—
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Each week join Retired Navy SEAL and Lone Survivor Marcus Luttrell, Morgan Luttrell, and Producer Andrew Brockenbush as they’ll take you into the “briefing room” to chat with incredible guests who share their greatest never quit stories. This humorous, heartfelt, and entertaining podcast is changing lives and has become a beacon of hope and resilience to those who are facing the impossible. One of the best ways we can support our community is to share their stories so that we might inspire others to Never Quit.
We’re bringing you real-life stories of men and women who took life’s toughest challenges and met them head-on, radically changing their own lives and inspiring others to do the same.
In this week’s Team Never Quit episode, Marcus and Melanie have the pleasure of hosting Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, a well-respected functional medicine practitioner and the founder of the Institute for Muscle-Centric Medicine®. Dr. Lyon is a leading expert in brain and thyroid health, lean body mass support, and longevity. Her insights into optimizing health and vitality are grounded in a wealth of knowledge and experience.
She challenges the notion that becoming frail is a passive process, emphasizing the power of choice in shaping one’s health and longevity.
By identifying emotional, environmental, and psychological barriers to lasting health, Dr. Lyon guides individuals in designing personalized action plans and advanced nutrition interventions.
Her philosophy revolves around the idea that vibrant health and longevity are achievable by unlocking one’s potential for wellness through dedicated effort and personalized strategies.
Join us in this enlightening conversation with Dr. Gabrielle Lyon as we explore the dynamic relationship between personalized health interventions and the foundation of an exceptional life. Learn how you too can unlock your potential for vibrant health and longevity.
Sponsors:
– Navyfederal.org
– Fitbod.me/TNQ
In this episode you will hear:
• I don’t make resolutions. I set standards. (1:34)
• I never changed my direction. From 17 to where I am now, my direction never changed. I studied nutritional sciences. I was lucky enough to train under one of the world leading experts in protein metabolism. (10:46)
• I was very unimpressed with the physical ability to be good at sports. (11:32)
• I’ve always been interested in being of service. The worst thing someone could be is not be useful. (15:45)
• I was always interested in being fit. (18:44)
• I had this moment – “What the fuck are we doing?” You’re telling people to do these things, they’re following it, and we’re not telling them the right information. (22:12)
• The biggest piece of advice as people are thinking about the new year: Don’t be surprised that you don’t want to go to the gym. Everybody is shocked. Plan for your weaknesses. (26:37)
• There’s a lot of misinformation in the nutrition space. (27:33)
• No, red meat is not killing the planet. (27:43)
• Eat for strength. Everything else is a smokescreen. (27:45)
• Policy, politics, money influences everything. (29:50)
• There’s a lot of talk about eating for your blood type. There isn’t evidence to support it. (35:46)
• I take care of special operators, and early cancer detection. (49:54)
• The other group of individuals are very entrepreneurial, motivated, mavericks, innovators, and moms. It’s an architect of a person. (50:23)
• You wanna know our family motto? DBAP – Don’t be a pussy. (60:24)
• This is about a mission that could change the narrative of medicine. (61:42)
• Dr. Lyon’s Supplement recommendations: Mitopure (Urolithin A – a postbiotic), Vitamin D, Fish Oil, and a good multi-vitamin.—
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Audio Engineer - Joey Garza
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—
About TNQ Podcast:
Each week join Retired Navy SEAL and Lone Survivor Marcus Luttrell, Morgan Luttrell, and Producer Andrew Brockenbush as they’ll take you into the “briefing room” to chat with incredible guests who share their greatest never quit stories. This humorous, heartfelt, and entertaining podcast is changing lives and has become a beacon of hope and resilience to those who are facing the impossible. One of the best ways we can support our community is to share their stories so that we might inspire others to Never Quit.
We’re bringing you real-life stories of men and women who took life’s toughest challenges and met them head-on, radically changing their own lives and inspiring others to do the same.
![ROBERT O’NEILL: SEAL Team 6 Vet Who Shot Bin Laden - Crossfire w/ “The Operator Podcast”
Mission Accomplished: Rob O’Neill on SEAL Team Six, Leadership, and Life After the Battlefield.
In this week’s episode, Marcus and Melanie Luttrell meet with one of the most highly decorated combat veterans of our time—Robert J. O’Neill. With an incredible 400+ combat missions under his belt, Rob’s experiences span across Liberia, The Balkans, The Persian Gulf, Indian Ocean, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. As a Navy SEAL, Rob served in SEAL Team Two, SEAL Team Four, and spent eight years with the legendary SEAL Team Six.
Rob’s heroic career is underscored by 53 decorations, including two Silver Stars for gallantry, four Bronze Stars with Valor for heroism, and a host of other prestigious commendations. His resume of skills includes elite qualifications like Military Free-Fall Jumpmaster, Naval Special Warfare Scout/Sniper, and Master Naval Parachutist, among many others.
In this episode, we dive deep into Rob’s role in some of the most significant military operations in recent history:
Operation Red Wings, which saw the rescue of the Lone Survivor, Marcus Luttrell
The lead jumper in the daring rescue of Captain Richard Phillips from Somali pirates
Operation Neptune’s Spear, the mission that brought down Osama bin Laden
Beyond the battlefield, Rob is the co-founder of the Special Operators Transition Foundation, a non-profit dedicated to helping special operations veterans transition to successful careers in corporate America. He is also the author of the best-selling memoir, THE OPERATOR: Firing the Shots that Killed Osama bin Laden and My Years as a SEAL Team Warrior.
Throughout his post-military career, Rob has become a prominent public speaker, security consultant, and media contributor, sharing expert insights on military strategy and terrorism. Whether speaking to survivors of 9/11 or delivering keynote speeches to business leaders, Rob translates his elite training into actionable lessons on leadership, resilience, and success.
Join us as we explore Rob O’Neill’s incredible journey from the frontlines to the boardroom and hear his thoughts on leadership, transition, and how to thrive under pressure.
Tune in to hear the untold stories and actionable advice from one of America’s most decorated heroes!
In This Episode You Will Hear:
• I don’t think I could beat Marcus at arm wrestling if I can’t pick up a bowling ball. (1:58)
• You do realize there’s a thing called old man strength? (5:53)
• [Rob O’Neil] I have a podcast as well, called “The Operator.” We’re called The Operator because if you’re doing anything, you’re an operator. (6:18)
• Having a big man to kick your ass and teach you wind a bobbin; you realize there is skill here. (9:59)
• When people quit BUDS, it’s not because “this is hard”. [It’s because] I’m tired of the broken foot; I’m tire of the shin splints; I’m tire of my dislocated shoulder; I’m tired. 21:20)
• In BUDS, one of the biggest problems is eating too much. Like I want 5 cheeseburgers, but we have a 4-mile run afterwards. (26:35)
• [Rob] and for everyone that doesn’t know, can you explain what a SDV is?
[Marcus] Imagine a mini submarine and shrink it down. The difference is that a submarine is dry inside, and the SDV is completely full of water. (37:40)
• Listen to Marcus discuss the details of being in an SDV for 8 hours. (38:52)
• [Marcus] Talk about ultimate torture – If you have a deep freeze in your garage, fill that sucker full of water, crawl in there and sit down for 8 hours. (38:53)
• The first time I got in there, I was terrified. (43:49)
• [Marcus] There’s stuff that happens to us out there. Sometimes safety gets in the way of it. (58:40)
• [After falling down the mountain during Operation Red Wings] I could hear that stream running. I’ve got to get me water, but I kept thinking I can’t drink out of it, because my buddies are in it. (79:27)
• If you want to make God laugh, tell Him what your plan is. (90:24)
• [Marcus] Bro, when you saw that son of a bitch’s face [Osama Bin Laden], what was the first thing you saw? [Rob O’Neal] I saw his nose. He was skinny, wearing white – tall. (93:41)
• My nickname was “Nisro” (Navy SEAL Rob O’Neal). When they asked “Who got him?” They go “Nisro,” and they said “Fuck! Were never gonna hear the end of it.” (95:38
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![DAVID KNIESS & TRENT GIBSON: The Story of Medal of Honor recipient, Cpl. Jason Lee Dunham (Rebro)
The Ultimate Sacrifice: Honoring Corporal Jason Dunham’s Legacy
In this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast, we learn the vivid details of the events leading up to the courage, love, and self-sacrifice made by Medal of Honor recipient, Corporal Jason L. Dunham of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines in Karabilah, Iraq. What a leader by example Jason was – to the point of throwing himself onto a grenade in an effort to save his comrades. Marcus’ guests, David Kniess (Veteran & Producer) and Lieutenant Colonel Trent Gibson (Dunham’s Company Commander), not only bring Jason’s story to life, but discuss the compelling and engaging upcoming documentary – The Gift. The Gift documentary is a personal project for David, who had a chance meeting with Corporal Dunham. That chance meeting led to lifelong friendships with the Dunham family and a core group of Marines from Kilo Company. David is actively involved in the Veteran community and has volunteered his time, producing content for Veteran Organizations such as Beteran, Stop Soldier Suicide, John Preston Music, and The Boot Campaign. David also served in the United States Navy aboard the USS Normandy (CG-60), a guided missile cruiser.
In this episode you will hear:
• Having the Dunham’s in my life has enriched my life. 10:52
• It’s not just about Jason; it’s about everything that has affected all of you all those years. 15:46
• Our generation and the younger generation is standing up and saying, “I’m not gonna wait for anyone. I’m gonna jump out there and teach guys how to surf, how to sing with dogs, start a podcast, and we’re talking about our shit. 22:44
• [With regard to this film], all I care about is what Marines, Sailors, Airmen and Soldiers think.
For veterans who are still struggling, I want them to watch it and say “if these kid can do it, maybe I can do it too.” 26:44
• I want civilians to know what it’s like for young men & women to go to war. 27:23
• [Marcus] If somebody threw one of those “Thank you for service” lines at you – even if you haven’t done something – it’s coming…” 28:04
• I believe in 3 things as a Marine. I believe in leadership by example; I believe in self-sacrifice for the greater good; and one man can make a difference. 33:06
• Jason had the leadership qualities to lead a rifle squad of American sons. 37:39
• Any leader who inspires his subordinates through personal example, to then return the favor and take care of him – that’s a true leader. 47:06
• Dunham was a big boy. He’s not someone I would choose to grapple with. 54:38
• Jason took off his Kevlar helmet, placed in on the grenade, and then laid down on it. 64:41
• Knowing what I know of him now, he loved his marines so much. He didn’t just take care of them, he practiced taking care of them. Who fucking practices covering a live grenade with their helmet? 74:08
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![CHASE ROWAN: Army Ranger Who Faced Addiction, Found Healing, & Rebuilt His Life
From Battlefield to Boardroom: The Journey of Chase Rowan
This week, Marcus and Melanie meet with the remarkable Chase Rowan—a former Army Ranger turned creative visionary, financial strategist, and vocal advocate for alternative healing. With a career spanning combat zones to creative studios and boardrooms, Chase embodies the spirit of resilience, innovation, and transformation.
Listen in on Chase’s powerful story of serving as an Army Ranger and the ridiculous challenges he faced returning to civilian life, healing the Invisible wounds, and his personal experiences with ibogaine and 5meo-DMT, and how these treatments helped him overcome addiction and trauma.
Chase discusses his work with the Texas Ibogaine Initiative and reveals why he’s passionate about sharing these solutions with fellow veterans.
These days, Chase blends graphic design, branding, photography, and UI/UX into compelling visual experiences as a creative director based in Dallas, TX. He has a unique approach to web development and consulting, and his art direction informs his technical execution.
Whether you’re a designer, entrepreneur, veteran, or someone seeking hope and healing, Chase’s story is a testament to the human capacity to reinvent, heal, and lead with purpose.
Tune in now and hear how Chase Rowan is blending creativity, finance, and advocacy to make a lasting impact.
In This Episode You Will Hear:
• I had a lot of experiences walking in on things no boy wants to walk in on. (12:45)
• I’ve struggled with alcohol for a long time. But I did it kind of quietly, especially when I got in the military. (19:57)
• [While parachuting] I hit the runway going 40-50 mph. I had an 8” gash in the back of my head. I was out-unconscious. (30:44)
• There’s nothing worse than opioid withdrawal to me. (30:44)
• My sole focus when I got up, when I was deep in my addiction – my first thought was “How am I gonna get something?” (38:15)
• In 2016, my life was in shambles. I decided I needed help. (39:10)
• [Marcus] No matter how strong you are. It’s like being a prisoner of war. (41:47)
• I felt like such a failure, and so many times I thought about how much better my kids and my wife would be if I just ended my life. (53:26)
• When I was at my weakest, and I’d start crying, all of the sudden I’d feel power within me. (58:49)
• Being sober is a super power. (63:15)
• [Post Ibogaine treatment] I’ve never wanted to be alive more than I do now, and people need to know about this. (72:21)
• There’s nothing I like more than seeing people happy. (78:02)
• It’s not what you want. It’s what you need. (84:27)
• There are so many things that trauma is from, and this [Ibogaine] can heal it. (90:28)
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![JAKE SCHMITT: Crushed in the Backcountry - The Survival Story of a Guide, His Dog
The Crawl: How Jake Schmitt Survived a Mountain Crash — Thanks to His Dog
In this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus & Melanie sit down with Utah hunting guide Jake Schmitt to hear his incredible story of survival in the Uintah Mountains. What began as a summer scouting trip for mule deer turned into an 11-hour crawl for his life — with only his dog, Buddy, by his side.
Jake shares how he went from releasing an elk calf from a trap to being crushed in a UTV rollover, and how his knowledge of self-rescue, grit, and an extraordinary bond with his German shorthaired pointer helped him make it out alive.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
• How a routine scouting trip in the Uintah Mountains went horribly wrong
• The split-second decisions that led to the UTV rollover and Jake’s devastating injuries
• Why his dog Buddy became the key to his survival — providing motivation & warmth
• Field-tested self-rescue skills every outdoorsperson should know
• Jake’s recovery process, and how he’s preparing to return to the mountains and the buck he first spotted
Key Moments:
• The Hunt: Scouting for a velvet mule deer buck in remote country
• The Rescue: Freeing an elk calf from a trap moments before disaster struck
• The Crash: A UTV rollover shattering bones and gear — but not Jake’s resolve
• The Crawl: 11 hours of crawling, crossing creeks, and following Buddy’s promptings to safety
• The Recovery: Rods, screws, and staples — but a plan to guide hunters again this fall
This episode is more than a survival story. It’s about preparedness, mindset, and the unbreakable bond between a hunter and his dog. Whether you hunt, hike, or just love hearing how ordinary people survive extraordinary situations, this conversation will stay with you.
In this episode you will hear:
• In between normal life and sports, I always was hunting. (7:12)
• Welding funds my guiding addiction. (8:54)
• The incredible story of Jake’s accident and subsequent crawl for his life starts here. (22:03
• [Jake’s dog, Buddy] went with it. He came up and found me. (26:40)
• So, what I ended up doing was grabbing this and summersaulting down. It doesn’t sound like that far, but it was like 100 feet. It was a good tumble, and I’m just screaming. (31:25)
• I’ve been guiding way up north where I’ve seen a German Shepherd get baited into the woods by wolves and they rip him to shreds. (33:12)
• The first thing I thought was I have no light. How the hell am I gonna do this? I don’t even know where I’m going. (33:33)
• I’m dragging the leg, and I’m going so far downhill that if I try to turn around, I start to tumble, but if I go the other way I drag and drag, but you’re going up and over this, up and over that, you’re going under this log, you’re going over that log, so I’ve gone maybe a third of a mile in 3 hours. And I’m like I’m gonna die out here. (36:53)
• Jake’s explanation of flipping over on his knee and break his leg again, and Buddy finally gets it. (38:19)
• It was 4 miles of straight rock. (44:34)
• At the time mentally, I am just gone. But the dog as there and I felt obligated. (45:54)
• At some point I just got it out of my head: Whatever’s gonna happen is gonna happen. At that moment, something changed in me. (58:10)
• The best PT for me is doing the same damn thing that I was doing. (64:34)
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![JOSH THURMAN: Combat to Code – How a Former Navy SEAL is Protecting Kids Online with Angel Kids AI
From Navy SEAL to AI Innovator: Protecting Kids Online with Josh Thurman
In this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus and Melanie sit down with Navy SEAL veteran and tech entrepreneur Josh Thurman. As the co-founder and Chief Operating Officer of Angel Kids AI, Josh is at the forefront of using artificial intelligence to create a safer, age-appropriate internet experience for children.
Josh shares insights into his 12+ years of service as a SEAL officer, where he completed 11 overseas deployments in support of the Global War on Terror and was awarded three Bronze Stars, a Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Two Joint Commendation Medals, Three Navy Commendation Medals, a Navy Achievement Medal, a Presidential Unit Citation, and a Joint Meritorious Unit Award as well as multiple combat and valorous distinctions. Following his transition to civilian life in 2018, Josh applied the leadership and problem-solving skills he honed in the military to the tech world. His groundbreaking platform, Angel Kids AI, empowers parents to protect their children online by enforcing parental guidelines across the digital landscape.
In this episode, Josh talks about the challenges of building a tech startup, the future of AI in safeguarding children, and his personal journey from the battlefield to the boardroom. Tune in to hear about his incredible story, the vision behind Angel Kids AI, and how he’s making the internet a safer place for kids.
In This Episode You Will Hear:
• Riding my bike home; car doesn’t see me. Pulls out and we crash at 20 mph. I fly over the hood, my right leg hits, immense pain. I had broken my hip. But now I’m starting to think about the military. I crutch my way to the recruiter’s office.
• Every generation, since the beginning of America has fought to preserve our freedom.
• [Marcus] When you’re checking into BUDS, check in on Friday after 4:30pm.
• Always choose the hard things because even if you fail, you’re gonna learn a ton.
• Things are gonna hit you in life that you have almost no control over, and you’re gonna want to have those experiences that you build up doing the things you chose to be hard, so you can survive those moments.
• My wife’s a nurse practitioner, she’s tracking the baby on the Doppler. As she’s laboring, our son passes away. Been through all this stuff: Training, deployments… I’m grateful for those things, because they all sort of prepared me for this thing that happened in life that I had no control over.
•There’s suffering to be dealt with and that loss – you’ve gotta get through it, assigning meaning to that suffering. I’m not suffering for nothing, I’m suffering for something.
• [Marcus] A lot of times, you just go though it with them, and not talk ‘em through it.
• Recognize that God gives us that pain to keep us close to that person so that we don’t forget ‘em.
• I always knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur. In many ways, I wanted to serve as long as I could, as hard as I could, but I knew on the other side this is what I wanted to do.
• You may have thousands of followers on whatever platform it, but do you have someone you can call to move a couch?
• Social media is a democracy killing force. It wields way too much power in our lives.
• Technology should be a tool to help us fulfill the dreams of our lives. It’s totally inverted right now.
• AI has been working for big tech, it serves their purposes. It serves up products to advertisers. This is the big machine. Frankly, we’re getting played by it.
• If you want this incredible thing called America to persist, you’ve gotta be part of the solution.
• We’re all getting played, and the house always wins.
• There’s value in getting information, organizing, shopping, people finding love on line. But it shouldn’t be massively destructive.
• Kids have access to this online virtual world all the time that’s terrible for their mental health. It’s teaching them that the most important things in life is how many likes and followers you get.
• The surgeon general put out a warning: If kids are spending 3 or more hours on social media, they’re 50% more likely to be depressed.
• At Angel Kids, our mission is to use AI to make the internet safe for kids.
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![BRANDEN TERRELL: A Powerful Story of Prison, Redemption, and a Mission to Advocate Through Faith
A Journey of Redemption: Branden Terrell’s Path to Accountability and Transformation
In this week’s raw and powerful episode, Marcus and Melanie meet with Branden Terrell, a man whose life has been defined by both profound tragedy and transformation. Branden’s journey began with a devastating crime—the voluntary manslaughter of his friend, Ryan Roth, in 2012. After serving over a decade in prison, Branden is now committed to rebuilding his life and advocating for restorative justice, but his path to redemption is far from simple.
Branden gets real about the night he took Ryan’s life—a night marked by a dangerous mix of drugs, alcohol, and emotional turmoil. He shares how this tragedy has shaped his current mission to support victims’ families, advocate for survivors, and push for more effective rehabilitation programs for incarcerated individuals.
Branden takes full responsibility for his actions, acknowledging the pain and devastation caused to Ryan’s family and the community. He also discusses the impact of substance abuse on his behavior that night, but emphasizes that no excuse can absolve him of his actions.
Throughout the episode, Branden shares his struggles, regrets, and efforts to make amends for the harm he caused. His commitment to transformation is clear, but he acknowledges that healing, for both himself and the Roth family, is a long and complex journey.
This episode is not just about Branden’s personal redemption; it’s about understanding the broader impact of crime, the importance of accountability, and the possibilities for growth and healing within the justice system.
In This Episode You Will Hear:
• I’ve seen a lot of poverty and the impact of drugs. My hopes and dreams was to play professional football or baseball. (12:30)
• By the time I was expelled in my junior year after football season, I had been to 17 different schools. (12:46)
• I knew my family loved me, but the only place I had that real validation was playing sports. (13:02)
• I started hanging around all the wrong people, all the wrong places, seeking validation, wanting to be accepted, covered myself with tattoos. (15:29)
• The only time I’ve ever had handcuffs on me was when I was under the influence of alcohol. (18:08)
• By the time I was 18, I was living a full-on criminal lifestyle. (19:35)
• My mom – even if I’m doing something wrong, she’s gonna have my back. (25:49)
• All the folks I was running with [would say] “You’re the biggest liability when you start drinking.” (34:54)
• We went out to dinner with some of the folks that were trimming. I remember sitting at the table, waitress is taking orders and everybody’s ordering drinks, and I’m having this internal conversation with myself: “Brandon don’t do it. You don’t need to drink.” They get to me: “What the heck, 1 drink ain’t gonna kill nobody. I ordered a drink. Within hours after that, I was arrested for murder. (38:10)
• Me and Ryan had some words. He punched me and then from there, I went into a blackout. I grabbed a knife and ended up taking his life. (39:01)
• When I was drinking and I got into something, I’d just go into a rage.(47:45)
• I had this vision of “I’m gonna use this to help people be sober one day. I’m gonna help people live their best life through sobriety.” (53:59)
• I didn’t know that was okay, as a man, to talk about feelings. (55:32)
• There’s a lot of strong guys in prison, but there’s a lot of weak individuals too. (57:55)
• I was a closet cowardly christian. (75:48)
• So I get on my knees, and promised God never to use alcohol again.(80:24)
• That’s what life’s all about. Finding the God-given strength, ability and purpose and using it to help people. (91:11)
• I knew I had a problem with alcohol, but I was afraid to ask for help. (119:45)
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![KAILEE MILLS FOUNDATION: Advocacy Rising from Tragedy, Seatbelt Awareness
Buckle Up for Life: The Kailee Mills Foundation Story
Welcome to another impactful episode of the Team Never Quit Podcast. In today’s episode, we shine a spotlight on the crucial importance of seatbelt safety, exploring the heart-wrenching story of David Mills and his family. Their tragedy led to the creation of the Kailee Mills Foundation, a beacon of hope and advocacy for seatbelt awareness.
The Mills family’s tragic journey begins with the heartbreaking story of losing their beloved 16-year-old daughter in a car accident. This devastating event became the catalyst for change in their lives and ignited a passion for preventing similar tragedies, in memory of their daughter. Through educational programs, events, and collaborations, the foundation continues to make strides in promoting seatbelt safety and saving lives.
We discuss tangible ways our listeners can contribute to the Kailee Mills Foundation’s mission and promote seatbelt safety within their own communities.
Join us as we honor the memory of Kailee Mills and support the Kailee Mills Foundation in their tireless efforts to make our roads safer.
Every buckle can make a difference.
Check out the foundation here:
– https://www.kaileemillsfoundation.org/
Sponsors:
– Navyfederal.org
– Policygenius.com
In this episode you will hear:
• The whole Team Never Quit mindset started for me when we lost our daughter. Our 16 year old. It was at that point that I realized how short life is. (14:31)
• A lot of my friends that were way less smart than me, weren’t as hard of workers as me, were doing way bigger things. I was like why can’t that be me? That’s when I why decided to grow my company and things really took off. At the same time, we were building a foundation in our daughter’s name. (14:48)
• Even from a young age she [Kailee] could talk to anybody. She was like an adult, she would go into a room and make her presence felt. She was outgoing, bubbly, a light in a dark room. She had a large personality, a big smile, a loud laugh, and was larger than life. (19:26)
• She also didn’t mind being the butt of a joke. (21:40)
• It’s a parent’s worst fear – losing a child. (28:17)
• Your odds [of survival in a crash] go up exponentially if you have your seatbelt on. (33:34)
• I’ve never been comfortable with public speaking but I just felt like these kids [gathered at the crash site days later] needed to hear a message of how important it is to be safe in the car. (34:51)
• I told ‘em you’ve gotta be selfish when it comes to your safety. (35:36)
• Who do you buckle for at home that loves you that’s counting on you to make it home safe? (41:45)
• I’ve done way worse, and got away with it. (63:14)
• I’m shaving getting ready for the memorial service and I’m thinking to myself of all those stupid choices I’ve made and got away with, and I thought it’s not fair. I’m a Christian. What is the foundation of my faith? It’s the Lord’s Prayer – Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. (63:28)
• I called him [the driver’s father] and said I want you to know that I forgive your son. I want him to know that If he wants to come pay his respects, say his goodbye’s We’re gonna welcome him with open arms. We’re gonna love on him. We’re gonna tell him it’s gonna be okay. We forgive him. (64:17)
• If there’s somebody in your life that you’re holding hatred or a grudge on, just consider forgiving that person. (64:45)
• Raising awareness is about creating conversations and reminding people what’s important. (72:12)—
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Each week join Retired Navy SEAL and Lone Survivor Marcus Luttrell, Morgan Luttrell, and Producer Andrew Brockenbush as they’ll take you into the “briefing room” to chat with incredible guests who share their greatest never quit stories. This humorous, heartfelt, and entertaining podcast is changing lives and has become a beacon of hope and resilience to those who are facing the impossible. One of the best ways we can support our community is to share their stories so that we might inspire others to Never Quit.
We’re bringing you real-life stories of men and women who took life’s toughest challenges and met them head-on, radically changing their own lives and inspiring others to do the same. KAILEE MILLS FOUNDATION: Advocacy Rising from Tragedy, Seatbelt Awareness](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xbiqODPjXR4/mqdefault.jpg)
![KELSIE SHEREN: Canadian Combat Vet To Entrepreneur, CEO of Brass & Unity, Author & Podcaster
From Combat to Creativity.
In this week’s Team Never Quit episode, Marcus dives into the inspiring story of his guest, Kelsi Sheren, a combat veteran and artillery gunner in the Canadian military. She was a competitive Tae Kwon Do champion from the ages of four to nineteen and holds a second-degree black belt. Join us as we explore her experiences serving in Afghanistan, her battle with PTSD, and her remarkable transformation through art therapy, at the recommendation of her therapist, which lead to the creation of a successful jewelry and eyewear brand, Brass & Unity. Kelsi’s endeavor was to make jewelry from spent shell casings. Twenty percent of net profits go toward helping veterans who are suffering from PTSD, depression, anxiety, and suicide. Listen in as the discussion details Kelsi’s journey to find healing and purpose.
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In this episode you will hear:
• When we start something, we finish it. (7:28)
• I became a high level competitive fighter and a national-level fighter by the time I was 12-13. (7:43)
• I learned a long time ago that Taekwondo was not super applicable in real life if I was being grabbed from behind. (12:24)
• That’s how you know you’re living a fulfilled live – if you’re laughing to the point that you hurt. (15:19)
• Comedy is levity. (16:19)
• [Marcus] PTSD is Pharmaceutical Training Stand By for Dosage. (36:12)
• My mom saw the side of me that she didn’t recognize. She saw what war looks like. I was 19. (40:10)
• Nobody knew how to deal with mental health at the time. Nobody understood that the reactions I was getting were disproportionate for a reason. (40:48)
• Yes, I guess I’m technically an author. My friends are all dying by suicide. And they’re dying at a pace I find unacceptable. How do I help? I don’t know, so why don’t I start helping myself and give myself the tools to then go and help others. (43:52)
• [Melanie] Your survival turned into a business. (44:20)
• In Canada, we offer medical assistance in dying, instead of treatment. (45:09)
• I’ve been screaming about suicide prevention since 2016. (47:53)
• Why aren’t we trying fitness? Why aren’t we trying nutrition? Why aren’t we looking at religion? That’s when I found psychedelics. (48:32)
• When I left the Canadian Army, I was left. No one called, no one knew where I was, no one cared. (51:37)
• Then I did brain treatment. I mean like I’m on some new shit. And when I say it got dangerous, it’s a scary level to feel this good. (53:59)
• I don’t care what you need – you just need to ask. (54:20)
• I got to go help some people, and close a chapter in my life that I didn’t get to close because of how I left Afghanistan. (59:05)
• It takes someone from within the community to heal the community. No one else is gonna do it for us. (69:25)
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We’re bringing you real-life stories of men and women who took life’s toughest challenges and met them head-on, radically changing their own lives and inspiring others to do the same. KELSIE SHEREN: Canadian Combat Vet To Entrepreneur, CEO of Brass & Unity, Author & Podcaster](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xs_PnYYE7Cg/mqdefault.jpg)

![CESALINA GRACIE
Mindset Matters.
In this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast, we are honored to host a remarkable individual who has not only mastered the art of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu but has also conquered the world’s highest peak – Mount Everest. Join us as Marcus and Melanie delve into the incredible journey of Cesalina Gracie. Hailing from a family that pioneered and revolutionized this martial art, Cesalina has carried the torch forward, dedicating her life to mastering the intricacies of Jiu-Jitsu. Cesalina shares insights into the mental and physical preparation required for both the Jiu-Jitsu arena and the formidable slopes of Everest. How do the principles of discipline, resilience, and focus intertwine between the mats and the mountains? Listen in and be inspired by this incredible woman of purpose and power.
Whether you’re a Jiu-Jitsu enthusiast, an aspiring mountaineer, or someone navigating life’s challenges, Cesalina’s journey offers invaluable insights that transcend boundaries.
In this episode you will hear:
• Back in the day, there were eighteen martial arts, different clans that had different practices in Japan, and they all ended with “Jitsu.” (7:08)
• There are no bad kids. There’s bad environments for kids. (10:41)
• [Jiu Jitsu] is an equalizer of emotions for kids. Jiu Jitsu is gonna honor your personality. (11:04)
• Nobody needs to tell us where you’re gonna find the environment, because when you walk in, the systems that are in place teach you before you hear a word from your coach. (12:54)
• [My grandfather] saw immediately what the power of that art was and the incredible responsibility that came with it. (13:45)
• This [Jiu Jitsu] is a tool for self-development. I’m not here to learn how to fight. I’m here to feel powerful and feel capable without having to look powerful and look capable. (14:00)
• That’s the beautiful thing about Jiu Jitsu, is that it lives on the inside. (14:21)
• [My family] proved the efficiency of Jiu Jitsu to the rest of the world. (20:43)
• If the whole world learns these tools, we’re gonna live in a society that is more peaceful, that is more respectful, because when you have human beings that are self-confident and compassionate, you start changing the way we interact with each other, and we start changing the way we live our lives. (21:19)
• As a grown up, I understand the difference between winners and champions. (30:06)
• The most important thing about Jiu Jitsu that it builds and internal constitution that is so strong that you can deal with anything in life. (38:26)
• The greatest value of Jiu Jitsu is applied outside of the mat. (42:29)
• Ultimately, the greatest skill you can have is awareness. (45:54)
• We have to be brutally honest with ourselves as to where we’re standing in life. (55:51)
• What’s actually gonna take you to the top are the mindsets that you’ve created in your journey in Jiu Jitsu. (61:20)
• [While climbing Mount Everest] the one question that I did not ask myself was “should I go back to Everest Base Camp?” (63:35)
• Another part that was really hard [while climbing Mount Everest] was when I saw dead bodies in the mountain for the first time. (63:47)
• I hope everyone gets to experience something in their lives that they have a hard time describing. (72:22)
• When I got back to base camp, I immediately called my family, because I didn’t tell anybody I was climbing Mount Everest. (82:21)
• Champions are still champions even when they lose. (87:27)
• When you have confidence in yourself, you solve so many problems. (118:28)
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