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If the New Covenant was made with Israel, how does the church fit into that covenant? How do we understand the relationship between the church and Israel? Special guest Paul Henebury answers these questions and more. Join us as we discuss some of the interesting theological questions surrounding the church's relationship to God's promises.
Time Stamps:
00:00 Introduction
05:47 Why is the New Covenant such an important issue?
11:45 Why is the discussion of Israel and the Church important?
18:03 Why do many people view the church and Israel as the same?
28:52 Does the NT reinterpret the OT?
33:05 Why should we believe Israel and the church are distinct?
44:05 How should we understand the church being described as Israel?
45:37 What are some incorrect dispensational views of the New Covenant?
50:06 Evidence that the church is a recipient of the New Covenant
58:07 Discussion about how the specific promises in the OT do not pertain to the church
1:07:53 Using Biblical Covenants Rather than Dispensations as a Framework
1:16:08 What's Next for Paul Henebury?
Links for Paul Henebury:
Words of the Covenant, Volume 1: amazon.com/dp/1736770403
Words of the Covenant, Volume 2: amazon.com/dp/1960255169
Personal website and blog: paulmhenebury.com
Telos Ministries: telosministries.com
Telos Ministries Youtube Channel: youtube.com/channel/UCIP8n20VkmFYhUVv_Ovx9tw
Links for Peter Goeman:
Shepherds Theological Seminary (where Peter Goeman teaches): https://shepherds.edu/
The Bible Sojourner Audio podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-bible-sojourner
More About The Bible Sojourner Host, Peter Goeman: petergoeman.com
If the New Covenant was made with Israel, how does the church fit into that covenant? How do we understand the relationship between the church and Israel? Special guest Paul Henebury answers these questions and more. Join us as we discuss some of the interesting theological questions surrounding the church's relationship to God's promises.
Time Stamps:
00:00 Introduction
05:47 Why is the New Covenant such an important issue?
11:45 Why is the discussion of Israel and the Church important?
18:03 Why do many people view the church and Israel as the same?
28:52 Does the NT reinterpret the OT?
33:05 Why should we believe Israel and the church are distinct?
44:05 How should we understand the church being described as Israel?
45:37 What are some incorrect dispensational views of the New Covenant?
50:06 Evidence that the church is a recipient of the New Covenant
58:07 Discussion about how the specific promises in the OT do not pertain to the church
1:07:53 Using Biblical Covenants Rather than Dispensations as a Framework
1:16:08 What's Next for Paul Henebury?
Links for Paul Henebury:
Words of the Covenant, Volume 1: amazon.com/dp/1736770403
Words of the Covenant, Volume 2: amazon.com/dp/1960255169
Personal website and blog: paulmhenebury.com
Telos Ministries: telosministries.com
Telos Ministries Youtube Channel: youtube.com/channel/UCIP8n20VkmFYhUVv_Ovx9tw
Links for Peter Goeman:
Shepherds Theological Seminary (where Peter Goeman teaches): https://shepherds.edu/
The Bible Sojourner Audio podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-bible-sojourner
More About The Bible Sojourner Host, Peter Goeman: petergoeman.com
