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In the third of our eight-part FRACTURES series, TNI explored the state neoliberalism is in, how Big Tech reshaping capitalism, whether muscular state capitalism and trade wars are reshaping neoliberalism and hoow should we articulate public democratic economic alternatives?

In conversation:
- Quinn Slobodian, author of Hayek’s Bastards: Race, Gold, IQ and the Capitalism of the Far Right
- Daniel Chavez, co-author of The Future is Public and coordinator of TNI's Global Green Industrial Policy Lab
- Anita Gurumurthy, director of IT for Change, India
- Sofia Scasserra, TNI associate researcher who specialises on digital economy, labor and development.

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00:00 Introduction (Shaun Matsheza)
08:10 Quinn Slobodian on four ways of understanding neoliberalism
13:27 Anita Gurumurthy - how Big Tech changed neoliberalism
22:56 Daniel Chavez - the return of the State
34:47 Quinn Slobodian - why the Right's rejection of WTO is not a victory
39:52 Anita Gurumurthy - Big Tech infrastructural power
48:59 Quinn Slobodian - fractures in the far-right
55:41 Daniel Chavez - need for transformative South-led industrial policy
01:04:12 Sofia Scasserra - openings for resistance to corporate trade agenda
01:10:43 Anita Gurumurthy - public AI and local accountability
01:15:07 Daniel Chavez - need for new democratic developmental state
1:20:02 Sofia Scasserra - trade union organising in Latin America
01:23:35 Anita Gurumurthy - bridging of digital rights and traditional rights groups
1:24:16 Daniel Chavez - where the light comes in
1:26:00 Sofia Scasserra - power of meeting now