Uploaded January 2021 | Updated September 2026, 2 hours ago

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Mark and Manuel are back with me to respond to my recent conversation with John Vervaeke and Paul VanderKlay. They have their own thoughts about how to parse the 4 P's of knowing. We also riff on stories that make us care and why consumerism doesn't make the world happy.

Below is the link to the Awakening from the Meaning Crisis discord server where conversations like this happen every day.
discord.gg/GwbMn9zs8M

Mary Elizabeth Kochan How to pronounce my last name: The "c" is silent just to confuse people.
Bringing Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) into the converZation in Paul VanderKlay's little corner of the internet.
Introduction to Christianity: amzn.to/2A5pvZi
Pope Benedict XVI writings: https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en.html
Paul VanderKlay’s channel: youtube.com/channel/UCGsDIP_K6J6VSTqlq-9IPlg
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis (John Vervaeke): youtu.be/54l8_ewcOlY
John V. and PVK in conversation: youtube.com/watch?v=65CcfvXXHug
youtube.com/watch?v=BqinRbjqy2c
Randos United: youtube.com/channel/UCEzWTLDYmL8soRdQec9Fsjw
Me on Paul's channel:
youtube.com/watch?v=o5q_5mVArNI
youtube.com/watch?v=EN-PQ3uUm4Y
youtube.com/watch?v=mSiXzJkIj0c
youtube.com/watch?v=WdlMtQSKszc
Karen Wong's channel, The Meaning Code: youtube.com/channel/UCgp_r6WlBwDSJrP43Mz07GQ
Sevilla King's channel, A Quality Existence: youtube.com/channel/UC6vg0HkKKlgsWk-3HfV-vnw
Jonathon Pageau's channel, The Symbolic World: youtube.com/user/pageaujonathan/videos