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The rematch Alex O'Connor vs Trent Horn. The Resurrection Debate. It's the one you've been waiting for. Did Jesus really rise from the dead or is the Resurrection best explained another way? In this gripping debate, Alex O'Connor and Trent Horn go head-to-head on one of history’s most controversial claims.
00:00 – Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?
01:10 – How the Resurrection Case Is Built
06:02 – Why the Resurrection Claim Is Unique
08:30 – Mormon Witnesses vs Resurrection Evidence
15:29 – Did Paul See a Physical Jesus?
23:29 – Do Sincerity & Martyrdom Prove Truth?
30:23 – The Empty Tomb: History or Legend?
40:16 – Can We Trust the Gospels?
1:07:37 – Who Were the 500 Witnesses?
1:16:36 – Best Explanation: Resurrection or Alternatives
Trent argues that the resurrection offers the best explanation for the historical evidence: the empty tomb, the transformation of the disciples, and early eyewitness testimony. Alex pushes back, questioning the reliability of the sources and offering alternative explanations from visionary experiences to parallels with other religious movements.
Along the way, they tackle group hallucinations, the martyrdom of the apostles, and even surprising comparisons with Mormonism.
Hosted by John Nelson, this is a thoughtful, fast-paced exchange that gets to the heart of whether the resurrection is fact, faith, or something else entirely.
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The rematch Alex O'Connor vs Trent Horn. The Resurrection Debate. It's the one you've been waiting for. Did Jesus really rise from the dead or is the Resurrection best explained another way? In this gripping debate, Alex O'Connor and Trent Horn go head-to-head on one of history’s most controversial claims.
00:00 – Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?
01:10 – How the Resurrection Case Is Built
06:02 – Why the Resurrection Claim Is Unique
08:30 – Mormon Witnesses vs Resurrection Evidence
15:29 – Did Paul See a Physical Jesus?
23:29 – Do Sincerity & Martyrdom Prove Truth?
30:23 – The Empty Tomb: History or Legend?
40:16 – Can We Trust the Gospels?
1:07:37 – Who Were the 500 Witnesses?
1:16:36 – Best Explanation: Resurrection or Alternatives
Trent argues that the resurrection offers the best explanation for the historical evidence: the empty tomb, the transformation of the disciples, and early eyewitness testimony. Alex pushes back, questioning the reliability of the sources and offering alternative explanations from visionary experiences to parallels with other religious movements.
Along the way, they tackle group hallucinations, the martyrdom of the apostles, and even surprising comparisons with Mormonism.
Hosted by John Nelson, this is a thoughtful, fast-paced exchange that gets to the heart of whether the resurrection is fact, faith, or something else entirely.
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![Christian Nationalism: Biblical or Dangerous? Doug Wilson vs Mike Bird
What does Christian political witness look like in a plural, polarized democracy and should Christians ever aim for a “Christian nation”? John Nelson hosts a frank and high-stakes conversation on Christian nationalism, secularism, and the future of liberal democracy.
00:00 – Intro: Christian witness or “Christian nationalism”
01:11 – Definitions: nationalism, theocracy, Christendom
01:37 – Doug’s core claim: states are moral agents
02:38 – “Theocratic libertarianism” explained
03:56 – Bird: why CN is often “more than that”
05:33 – Doug: “Mere Christendom” and Christendom 2.0
08:53 – Bird: “Which Christianity?” and minority rights concern
11:05 – Bird: secularism as peace mechanism
12:31 – Doug: pluralism/immigration changes the nation
18:46 – Scripture: Doug (Exodus 18) and limited government
21:26 – Scripture: Bird (Romans 13) and liberal and democracy
35:45 – Civic rights: can non-Christians vote/hold office?
37:14 – Doug: human rights vs citizen rights (“vote? no”)
51:50 – Test case: ectopic pregnancy legality
56:33 – “White nationalism?” and race/ethnicity debate
1:12:18 – Closing: Jesus, power, service and final hypothetical
Doug Wilson, pastor of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, argues that nations are moral agents accountable to God, and defends a vision he calls “theocratic libertarianism” - limited government, but explicitly Christian moral foundations.
Dr. Michael Bird, biblical scholar and Anglican priest, and host of the Ask NT Wright Anything podcast [https://www.premier.plus/ask-nt-wright-anything/p/bonus-content] agrees politics is never neutral, but warns that certain models of Christian nationalism risk disenfranchising minorities, repeating Europe’s religious conflicts, and undermining the freedom required for genuine faith.
From immigration and pluralism to abortion, marriage, and religious liberty, this conversation asks:
Can secularism actually protect Christian society?
Who gets full civic rights in a “Christian republic”?
Is Christian nationalism a renewal of moral order or a road to coercion?
How should Jesus’ model of leadership reshape political ambition?
Join us as we dive into one of the most contested questions in public Christianity today.
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![The Crisis of Meaning: John Vervaeke and Malcolm Guite hosted by John Nelson
In this episode of Unbelievable?, host John Nelson explores the “meaning crisis” with John Vervaeke and Malcolm Guite. Together, they examine the deeper forces behind rising loneliness, anxiety, addiction and cultural fragmentation, and consider why so many people today are searching for depth, belonging and transcendence.
00:00:00 What Is the Meaning Crisis?
00:01:01 Loneliness, Anxiety and Spiritual Disconnection
00:05:28 Did the Enlightenment Cause the Meaning Crisis?
00:10:17 Imagination, Poetry and the Search for Meaning
00:13:49 How Modernity Broke Meaning Apart
00:19:58 Myth, Christianity and the Search for Truth
00:28:26 Relevance, Truth and Why Meaning Matters
00:35:23 Information, Knowledge and the Wisdom Famine
00:53:43 Can Religion Solve the Meaning Crisis?
00:57:05 The Return of the Sacred
John Vervaeke (University of Toronto) argues that modern life suffers from a “propositional tyranny”, over-privileging facts and analysis while neglecting other ways of knowing procedural, perspectival and participatory that bind us to reality, one another, and ourselves.
Poet and priest Malcolm Guite agrees, tracing the crisis to modernity’s split between mind and world, and making a passionate case for imagination, myth and poetry as truth-bearing, meaning-making faculties. Together they explore logos, “religio” as binding, the limits of “spiritual but not religious”, and why practices, community and pilgrimage may be part of the way back.
John Vervaeke and Malcolm Guite Galahad and The Grail [https://amzn.to/4pxU93F]
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