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David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author (with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver, including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race.
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DHH's Website: https://dhh.dk/
Ruby on Rails: rubyonrails.org
37signals: 37signals.com
DHH's books:
Rework: amzn.to/44rSKob
Remote: amzn.to/44GFJ91
It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work: amzn.to/46bzuwx
Getting Real: amzn.to/4kzoMDg
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*OUTLINE:*
0:00 - Episode highlight
1:21 - Introduction
2:32 - Programming - early days
19:57 - JavaScript
30:16 - Google Chrome and DOJ
38:03 - Ruby programming language
45:14 - Beautiful code
1:03:15 - Metaprogramming
1:06:36 - Dynamic typing
1:13:55 - Scaling
1:26:47 - Future of programming
1:44:18 - Future of AI
1:50:13 - Vibe coding
1:58:45 - Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language
2:23:11 - Why managers are useless
2:32:32 - Small teams
2:38:39 - Jeff Bezos
2:53:57 - Why meetings are toxic
3:01:43 - Case against retirement
3:09:00 - Hard work
3:14:38 - Why we left the cloud
3:17:48 - AWS
3:27:07 - Owning your own servers
3:33:19 - Elon Musk
3:43:01 - Apple
3:54:48 - Tim Sweeney
4:06:22 - Fatherhood
4:32:04 - Racing
4:59:08 - Cars
5:04:26 - Programming setup
5:19:35 - Programming language for beginners
5:32:53 - Open source
5:41:46 - WordPress drama
5:53:03 - Money and happiness
6:01:56 - Hope
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David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author (with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver, including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race.
Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep474-sb
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*Transcript:*
lexfridman.com/dhh-david-heinemeier-hansson-transcript
*CONTACT LEX:*
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*Other* - other ways to get in touch: lexfridman.com/contact
*EPISODE LINKS:*
DHH's X: https://x.com/dhh
DHH's Website: https://dhh.dk/
Ruby on Rails: rubyonrails.org
37signals: 37signals.com
DHH's books:
Rework: amzn.to/44rSKob
Remote: amzn.to/44GFJ91
It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work: amzn.to/46bzuwx
Getting Real: amzn.to/4kzoMDg
*SPONSORS:*
To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts:
*UPLIFT Desk:* Standing desks and office ergonomics.
Go to lexfridman.com/s/uplift_desk-ep474-sb
*Lindy:* No-code AI agent builder.
Go to lexfridman.com/s/lindy-ep474-sb
*LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix.
Go to lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep474-sb
*Shopify:* Sell stuff online.
Go to lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep474-sb
*NetSuite:* Business management software.
Go to lexfridman.com/s/netsuite-ep474-sb
*OUTLINE:*
0:00 - Episode highlight
1:21 - Introduction
2:32 - Programming - early days
19:57 - JavaScript
30:16 - Google Chrome and DOJ
38:03 - Ruby programming language
45:14 - Beautiful code
1:03:15 - Metaprogramming
1:06:36 - Dynamic typing
1:13:55 - Scaling
1:26:47 - Future of programming
1:44:18 - Future of AI
1:50:13 - Vibe coding
1:58:45 - Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language
2:23:11 - Why managers are useless
2:32:32 - Small teams
2:38:39 - Jeff Bezos
2:53:57 - Why meetings are toxic
3:01:43 - Case against retirement
3:09:00 - Hard work
3:14:38 - Why we left the cloud
3:17:48 - AWS
3:27:07 - Owning your own servers
3:33:19 - Elon Musk
3:43:01 - Apple
3:54:48 - Tim Sweeney
4:06:22 - Fatherhood
4:32:04 - Racing
4:59:08 - Cars
5:04:26 - Programming setup
5:19:35 - Programming language for beginners
5:32:53 - Open source
5:41:46 - WordPress drama
5:53:03 - Money and happiness
6:01:56 - Hope
*PODCAST LINKS:*
- Podcast Website: lexfridman.com/podcast
- Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2lwqZIr
- Spotify: spoti.fi/2nEwCF8
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