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John Vervaeke hosts Taylor Barratt and Ethan Hsieh to discuss their new course “Self as Instrument Development”. They talk about reverse engineering the capacities needed to become a “full stack human”, integrating skills across dialogue, imaginal, mindfulness, and embodiment. The course focuses on cultivating individual agency in level one, before extending that agency to serve and lead others virtuously in level two.
Taylor Barratt is the Director of Practice and Education at the Vervaeke Foundation. He has over a decade of experience in relational leadership through Authentic Relating Toronto.
Ethan Hsieh is the Director of Community Development and Partnerships at the Vervaeke Foundation. He comes from an acting background focused on character development.
Resources:
Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ethan-kobayashi-hsieh-828a63240
Taylor Barratt:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/taylor-barratt-a18aa3122/?originalSubdomain=ca
X: twitter.com/emergenttaylor?lang=en
John Vervaeke
Website: johnvervaeke.com
Patreon: patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: facebook.com/VervaekeJohn
X: twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: vervaekefoundation.org
Authentic Relating Toronto: circling.ca
Authentic Relating Toronto | Meetup.com: meetup.com/Authentic-Relating-Toronto
Awaken to Meaning: awakentomeaning.com
Dialog-OS: dialog-os.com
Self-as-Instrument Training Program – Level 1 – Emergent Developmental Concepts (emergentdevelopmentalconcepts.com/self-as-instrument-training-program
Publications
Toward a Deliberately Developmental Civilization - Ken Wilber and Dustin DiPerna: dustindiperna.org/_files/ugd/0947c8_77773468df5b44c7950365d6125b4501.pdf
Glossary
DIME - Dialogue, Imaginal, Mindfulness, Embodiment
SPIRE - Service, Pilgrimage, Inquiry, Ritual, Enlightenment
Chapters
00:00:00 - Introductions
00:03:00 - Overview of the new course
00:14:00 - Reverse engineering core capacities
00:25:00 - Integrating skills across DIME
00:39:00 - Fitness for the course
00:44:00 - Cultivating virtuous service
00:56:00 - Conclusion
Timecodes
00:00:00 — John Vervaeke sets the stage, introducing this captivating episode alongside his esteemed guests, Ethan Hsieh and Taylor Barratt.
00:03:11 — Together, our guests discuss the intriguing world of their latest creation, the "Self as Instrument Development" course, providing a tantalizing glimpse into its essence.
00:14:00 — Barratt unveils the intricate process of reverse-engineering the essential qualities required to become a "full stack human being."
00:16:13 — Hsieh draws inspiration from the legendary Bruce Lee's martial arts odyssey to illustrate the development of universally applicable capabilities.
00:25:59 — Taylor delves into the realm of training emotional expression and the art of harnessing anger in a healthy and constructive manner.
00:27:29 — Vervaeke vehemently asserts that empathy, often hailed as a virtue, doesn't quite fit the bill.
00:31:52 — Taylor Barratt underlines the significance of judiciously bestowing power and responsibility upon trainees, a theme that resonates throughout their discussion.
00:35:24 — Ethan delves into the fascinating world of conceptual maps, like the triune mind, and their role in nurturing cognitive abilities.
00:39:00 — John probes further, seeking clarity on the course's target audience and the most opportune time to embark on this enlightening journey.
00:41:04 — John encapsulates the core essence of their discourse: the pursuit of virtuous service.
00:44:42 — John's vision crystallizes as he eloquently articulates the noble objective of educating individuals for a life of virtuous service.
00:47:34 — Ethan asserts his authority with grace, acknowledging that they don't possess all the answers in this profound exploration.
00:49:30 — Taylor sheds light on the course's methodical approach, emphasizing the importance of laying a solid foundation before diving into practical applications.
00:50:25 — John interjects to clarify that their course doesn't just offer an optimal grip but rather a meta-optimal grip, a crucial distinction in their journey of self-discovery.
00:56:02 — In a poignant conclusion, Ethan leaves us with a lasting thought, emphasizing that it's not just about the practices but the profound "way of being" that truly matters.
John Vervaeke hosts Taylor Barratt and Ethan Hsieh to discuss their new course “Self as Instrument Development”. They talk about reverse engineering the capacities needed to become a “full stack human”, integrating skills across dialogue, imaginal, mindfulness, and embodiment. The course focuses on cultivating individual agency in level one, before extending that agency to serve and lead others virtuously in level two.
Taylor Barratt is the Director of Practice and Education at the Vervaeke Foundation. He has over a decade of experience in relational leadership through Authentic Relating Toronto.
Ethan Hsieh is the Director of Community Development and Partnerships at the Vervaeke Foundation. He comes from an acting background focused on character development.
Resources:
Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ethan-kobayashi-hsieh-828a63240
Taylor Barratt:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/taylor-barratt-a18aa3122/?originalSubdomain=ca
X: twitter.com/emergenttaylor?lang=en
John Vervaeke
Website: johnvervaeke.com
Patreon: patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: facebook.com/VervaekeJohn
X: twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: vervaekefoundation.org
Authentic Relating Toronto: circling.ca
Authentic Relating Toronto | Meetup.com: meetup.com/Authentic-Relating-Toronto
Awaken to Meaning: awakentomeaning.com
Dialog-OS: dialog-os.com
Self-as-Instrument Training Program – Level 1 – Emergent Developmental Concepts (emergentdevelopmentalconcepts.com/self-as-instrument-training-program
Publications
Toward a Deliberately Developmental Civilization - Ken Wilber and Dustin DiPerna: dustindiperna.org/_files/ugd/0947c8_77773468df5b44c7950365d6125b4501.pdf
Glossary
DIME - Dialogue, Imaginal, Mindfulness, Embodiment
SPIRE - Service, Pilgrimage, Inquiry, Ritual, Enlightenment
Chapters
00:00:00 - Introductions
00:03:00 - Overview of the new course
00:14:00 - Reverse engineering core capacities
00:25:00 - Integrating skills across DIME
00:39:00 - Fitness for the course
00:44:00 - Cultivating virtuous service
00:56:00 - Conclusion
Timecodes
00:00:00 — John Vervaeke sets the stage, introducing this captivating episode alongside his esteemed guests, Ethan Hsieh and Taylor Barratt.
00:03:11 — Together, our guests discuss the intriguing world of their latest creation, the "Self as Instrument Development" course, providing a tantalizing glimpse into its essence.
00:14:00 — Barratt unveils the intricate process of reverse-engineering the essential qualities required to become a "full stack human being."
00:16:13 — Hsieh draws inspiration from the legendary Bruce Lee's martial arts odyssey to illustrate the development of universally applicable capabilities.
00:25:59 — Taylor delves into the realm of training emotional expression and the art of harnessing anger in a healthy and constructive manner.
00:27:29 — Vervaeke vehemently asserts that empathy, often hailed as a virtue, doesn't quite fit the bill.
00:31:52 — Taylor Barratt underlines the significance of judiciously bestowing power and responsibility upon trainees, a theme that resonates throughout their discussion.
00:35:24 — Ethan delves into the fascinating world of conceptual maps, like the triune mind, and their role in nurturing cognitive abilities.
00:39:00 — John probes further, seeking clarity on the course's target audience and the most opportune time to embark on this enlightening journey.
00:41:04 — John encapsulates the core essence of their discourse: the pursuit of virtuous service.
00:44:42 — John's vision crystallizes as he eloquently articulates the noble objective of educating individuals for a life of virtuous service.
00:47:34 — Ethan asserts his authority with grace, acknowledging that they don't possess all the answers in this profound exploration.
00:49:30 — Taylor sheds light on the course's methodical approach, emphasizing the importance of laying a solid foundation before diving into practical applications.
00:50:25 — John interjects to clarify that their course doesn't just offer an optimal grip but rather a meta-optimal grip, a crucial distinction in their journey of self-discovery.
00:56:02 — In a poignant conclusion, Ethan leaves us with a lasting thought, emphasizing that it's not just about the practices but the profound "way of being" that truly matters.
