Uploaded April 2020 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago
In our very first podcast episode Meg and Patrick of Artist as Family join us for a conversation on community resilience and the opportunities for change that the pandemic presents.
Also available on:
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2XhZfaJ
Spotify: spoti.fi/2wmaAeW
Mp3 download: bit.ly/2V3S5UM
You might remember Meg and Patrick from our film Creatures of Place (youtube.com/watch?v=rCRukvZE2Vk) that we made back in 2018. Today they're joining us from their home, Tree Elbow, on Djaara people’s land in Victoria, Australia.
We love the way these guys choose to live and interact with their community – they’re inspiring role models for us and they were the obvious choice for first guests on our new podcast.
One of the critical things we talked about was the difference between self-sufficiency and community sufficiency.
Meg: “How do we practice community sufficiency, what does that look like when it’s just us here, how do we look after each other in a non digital way in a very, very real practical sense? We’re so privileged here to live like this. How do we share that? In a time where everybody is physically distanced, what does generosity look like?”
Patrick: “Resilience is community sufficiency it’s not self sufficiency, so while we have twelve years of preparing for collapse on this particular lot in Central Victoria and within the community gardens and the community forests that we’re involved in and there’s food everywhere … feral foods and the huge amount of learning over the last twelve years we’ve put into edible flora and fauna and fungi – it’s so good to have that, that’s our main bank apart from our seed bank, our cellar and our garden and our community, but to be shut off so radically from community at the moment is definitely a… I feel a sense of vulnerability with that.”
It was really great to talk about that vulnerability with two people who are, despite feeling the vulnerability, deeply resilient in so many ways. We can’t all be prepared for every situation the future might bring, but we can choose to live in a way that is positive and loving and supportive of our selves and all the beings around us.
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In our very first podcast episode Meg and Patrick of Artist as Family join us for a conversation on community resilience and the opportunities for change that the pandemic presents.
Also available on:
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2XhZfaJ
Spotify: spoti.fi/2wmaAeW
Mp3 download: bit.ly/2V3S5UM
You might remember Meg and Patrick from our film Creatures of Place (youtube.com/watch?v=rCRukvZE2Vk) that we made back in 2018. Today they're joining us from their home, Tree Elbow, on Djaara people’s land in Victoria, Australia.
We love the way these guys choose to live and interact with their community – they’re inspiring role models for us and they were the obvious choice for first guests on our new podcast.
One of the critical things we talked about was the difference between self-sufficiency and community sufficiency.
Meg: “How do we practice community sufficiency, what does that look like when it’s just us here, how do we look after each other in a non digital way in a very, very real practical sense? We’re so privileged here to live like this. How do we share that? In a time where everybody is physically distanced, what does generosity look like?”
Patrick: “Resilience is community sufficiency it’s not self sufficiency, so while we have twelve years of preparing for collapse on this particular lot in Central Victoria and within the community gardens and the community forests that we’re involved in and there’s food everywhere … feral foods and the huge amount of learning over the last twelve years we’ve put into edible flora and fauna and fungi – it’s so good to have that, that’s our main bank apart from our seed bank, our cellar and our garden and our community, but to be shut off so radically from community at the moment is definitely a… I feel a sense of vulnerability with that.”
It was really great to talk about that vulnerability with two people who are, despite feeling the vulnerability, deeply resilient in so many ways. We can’t all be prepared for every situation the future might bring, but we can choose to live in a way that is positive and loving and supportive of our selves and all the beings around us.
** Follow Artist as Family **
Blog: theartistasfamily.blogspot.com
YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UC90Jv6gBc7mf4dyfTyWj4tQ
Instagram: instagram.com/artistasfamily
Facebook: facebook.com/artistasfamily
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Support us in making more films: happenfilms.com/donate
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Thank you to our lovely Patreon supporters!
Al Franco, Alex Muir, Danielle Klein, Dave Webb, David, Denise Bijoux, Geoffrey Torkington, Jess O'Shea, Matthew Zimmer, Mehron Kugler, Nathan Kitchen, Rahul Banerjee, Rex and Jo, Ron Hastie, Tiitus Laine, William B Everett, Aubra Kinyon, Cicely Jette Stewart, Jess, Joan Leitch,
kelly/peter osmond, Pierre Blom, Tabitha Bristow, Tony Schaufelberger, Vijayalakshmi, Sankar Madhavan and
Namaste Foundation.


![Dr Jessica Hutchings Interview on Hua Parakore, Māori Food Sovereignty, and Growing Organic Food
Watch the 8-minute film we made about Hua Parakore: https://youtu.be/x3qMIFQLK8c
This is the full-length interview with Dr Jessica Hutchings for our film Hua Parakore: Living Indigenous Food Sovereignty.
Hua Parakore provides a framework using Indigenous values – Māori principles – for producing natural food without chemical inputs or GMO. It also encapsulates the Māori worldview in its approach to how food growers are verified as Hua Parakore, with principles that require practitioners to deeply consider such things as their connection with the land, its energy, the many species living on it, and their community.
There are many Māori-language words throughout the video so weve created English subtitles for those unfamiliar with the terms used. Please let us know if you discover errors. While the short film subtitles were professionally created, these ones are not. Errors will be corrected as soon as we hear about them!
**Question timecodes for this interview**
0:55: What was this land like when you arrived here?
3:28: Could you speak about the origin of the farm’s name, Papawhakaritorito?
4:48: What is Hua Parakore?
9:35: What are the core principles of Hua Parakore?
11:28: Could you elaborate on the core principle of ‘Whakapapa’?
15:25: Could you elaborate on the core principle of ‘Te Ao Tūroa’?
16:54: Could you elaborate on the core principle of ‘Mauri’?
19:52: Could you elaborate on the core principle of ‘Māramatanga’?
24:29: Could you elaborate on the core principle of ‘Mana’?
26:26: Could you elaborate on the core principle of ‘Wairua’?
27:45: What is the worldview behind the Hua Parakore framework?
31:05: How does Hua Parakore differ from organic certification schemes?
33:16: How does the process of becoming Hua Parakore verified differ to organic certification?
36:04: Could you speak to how biodynamics is incorporated into your Hua Parakore practice at Papawhakaritorito?
39:51: Could you explore the connections between healthy soil and healthy people?
42:16: What does the phrase food sovereignty mean?
48:42: What advice would you give to someone wanting to engage with Hua Parakore?
49:36: What place is there in Hua Parakore for Pākehā [non-Māori New Zealanders]?
51:07: How can Pākehā support Māori food sovereignty more generally?
53:41: How relevant is Hua Parakore beyond Aotearoa New Zealand?
56:13: How important is seed saving in the Hua Parakore framework?
**Find out more about Hua Parakore**
Te Waka Kai Ora: https://www.tewakakaiora.co.nz/
Jessica Hutchings: https://jessicahutchings.org/
Purchase Jessicas books via links on her website: https://jessicahutchings.org/books-and-offerings/ (The two books weve read – which have partly Māori-language titles but are both written in English – are: Te Mahi Mara Hua Parakore: A Māori Food Sovereignty Handbook and Te Mahi Oneone Hua Parakore: A Māori Soil Sovereignty and Wellbeing Handbook.)
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