Uploaded October 2018 | Updated September 2026, 2 hours ago

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Clay Collins (@claycollins) is one of the top internet marketers in the world. After leaving home at age 15 to start his first software company, Clay has gone on to co-found Leadpages which raised $38M and was later acquired for a sizable exit.

More recently Clay has been focusing extensively on the blockchain & cryptocurrency space where he is the co-founder of Nomics, the API/analytics software for enterprise level crypto investors and runs Flippening, a top 3 crypto podcast.

In our wide-ranging conversation, we cover many things, including:

- How blockchain and cryptocurrency threatens current political order
- The big problem with government fiat money
- Where Clay sees us headed in terms of the internet
- How your privacy is bought and sold, well beyond what you already know
- Why Clay would bet it all on Bitcoin
- The future of governance and governments
- Why building a venture funded tech startup is harder than almost anything else
- How libertarians want to recreate the internet
- Why blockchain is still a long ways off from mass market success
- What futures Clay is most worried about
- Why AI won't be replacing all jobs soon

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