Uploaded July 2026 | Updated September 2026, 3 days ago

---

This conversation with Charles Eisenstein goes all the way back to the early days of Campfire Stories. Listening to it now, I think it has aged remarkably well.

As we move into deeper waters with AI, his question feels more relevant than ever:

What happens when we mistake what can be measured for what truly matters?

Explore all 16 episodes of the Campfire Podcast: youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5lpd9JVzmPDFJrHgXfYQ_5jMERVcG5qF

A new season begins this September.