Uploaded June 2011 | Updated September 2026, 9 hours ago

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Bob Blaskiewicz interviewing Richard Gage, on the topic of reading Ryan Mackey's rebuttal of David Griffin.
Context at
forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=212494
Sound amplified 10x to make audible from original,
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UhYn1Kdi78c