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Jonathan Pageau | Beyond Materialism: The Matter With Things | with Dr. Iain McGilchrist @JonathanPageau | Uploaded July 2022 | Updated October 2024, 3 hours ago.
In this long-awaited discussion with Dr. Iain McGilchrist I ask him several questions about his work. We discuss the medieval worldview, the Renaissance, participation and transformation, and what he thinks is the way forward and the role of religion. We also talk about the processual aspect of creation, the role of the body in Christianity and the restorative magic of attending. Enjoy.

Dr. McGilchrist’s books:
- The Matter With Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World: amazon.com/Matter-Things-Brains-Delusions-Unmaking/dp/1914568060
- The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World: amazon.com/Master-His-Emissary-Divided-Western/dp/0300245920

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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Coming up next...
00:00:57 - Intro music
00:01:23 - Introduction
00:02:27 - Dr. Mcgilchrist's work
00:05:07 - Context and analogy
00:08:00 - The obsession with artificial intelligence
00:09:22 - Understanding the medieval vision
00:19:25 - The Western medieval spirit
00:20:09 - The Renaissance and participation
00:22:41 - Participation and transformation
00:25:51 - Parts and wholes
00:27:41 - What's the way forward?
00:33:37 - Imitation vs virtue, religious vs irreligious
00:37:39 - Plato and the body in Christianity
00:42:53 - Panentheism and the apophatic vision
00:46:36 - Science and its betrayal
00:48:10 - Physicists in the 20th century
00:50:26 - Procreation and the process of creation
00:54:44 - What advice would you give?
00:58:20 - The magic of attending

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