Uploaded April 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Zuby sits down with Jason Whitlock to talk about what it's like to be a black conservative in America today and the very real social price that comes with it. Jason opens up about being shut out of black social circles, colleges, journalism organizations, and even his own alma mater Ball State University — all because his biblical worldview aligns more closely with conservatism. Zuby shares his own experience as a black British-Nigerian man, noting that the racial hostility he's encountered has come almost entirely from black Americans online, not from other demographics. A raw and honest conversation about political polarization, identity politics, and why two black men with the "wrong" politics are made to feel unwelcome in spaces that claim to celebrate blackness.

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