Uploaded November 2020 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago

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After our discussion, CO has changed his video to no longer claim that he "debunked" my video, since there was nothing that was actually debunked.

Statements we did make in the original video: "You're not gonna meet your B12 RDA from consuming soil and/or water unless you consume an absurd amount. And speaking more broadly, the notion that prior to technology we were getting our B12 herbivorously is extremely implausible. As far as I can tell, thats just some kind of weird vegan myth that's been generated out of an ideological commitment to the notion that humans are herbivores which ironically is not something you have to believe to make good arguments for veganism, but whatever. Now the vegans who want to defend this idea that we were meeting our B12 RDA pre technology from non-animal sources usually propose 3 means by which we would have done this..."

Notice how We DID NOT say it was not possible, as CO claimed (on recording by the way, in case he tried to deny claiming this). We simply said it was extremely implausible.

We also DID NOT refer to all vegans who have this belief when describing them as wackos. We specifically referred to a subset of vegans who want to defend this idea that we were meeting our B12 requirements, and we specified that they usually use several different sources. Those vegans I do consider wackos, or at the very least acting like a wacko, because the studies they cite with such confidence actually show the opposite of what they claim. It's pretty obvious how my video was a debunk. I showed that the claimed studies for the notion not only do not support the notion, but they support the opposite of the notion. Also, I consider showing how the notion is highly unlikely is a debunk to someone who claims that their view is true.

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