Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
In this episode of The ModSquad, Paul Barnhurst, Giles Male, and Ian Schnoor are joined by Excel and Financial Modeling World Champions Michael Jarman and Diarmuid Early to discuss a unique “man versus machine” financial modeling challenge.
The group breaks down their experience testing AI against expert modelers using real financial modeling and Excel competition cases. They explore where AI performs well, where human judgment still matters, and what the future of financial modeling may look like as AI tools continue to improve.
Expect to Learn
How AI compares against expert financial modelers in real-world challenges
Where AI adds value and where human judgment remains essential
Why reviewing and validating AI-generated models is becoming more important
How AI tools are changing the future role of financial modelers
Why strong modeling fundamentals still matter in an AI-driven world
Here are a few quotes from the episode:
“AI can build something quick, but if you want it to be right, often the majority of the time is in checking it.” - Michael Jarman
“The most interesting question is how do you get from something that works to something you actually feel confident in.” - Diarmuid Early
AI is changing the way financial models are built, reviewed, and improved. While AI can increase speed and efficiency, the best results still come from professionals who understand modeling principles, question outputs, and apply human judgement. The future belongs to modelers who can combine technology with expertise.
Follow Ian:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor
Follow Giles:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15
Follow Michael Jarman:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/michael-jarman-excel
Follow Diarmuid Early:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/diarmuidearly
In today’s episode:
[00:00] – Trailer
[03:59] – Setting Up the Competition
[09:50] – AI Competition Commentary
[13:02] – Shortcut vs Human Results
[16:17] – AI Review Agents
[20:11] – Trusting AI Models
[29:41] – Future of AI Agents
[33:13] – Human Oversight in AI
[41:27] – Real-World Modeling Challenges
[45:54] – Beyond AI Prompting
[47:50] – Future of Financial Modeling
[53:20] – Closing Thoughts
In this episode of The ModSquad, Paul Barnhurst, Giles Male, and Ian Schnoor are joined by Excel and Financial Modeling World Champions Michael Jarman and Diarmuid Early to discuss a unique “man versus machine” financial modeling challenge.
The group breaks down their experience testing AI against expert modelers using real financial modeling and Excel competition cases. They explore where AI performs well, where human judgment still matters, and what the future of financial modeling may look like as AI tools continue to improve.
Expect to Learn
How AI compares against expert financial modelers in real-world challenges
Where AI adds value and where human judgment remains essential
Why reviewing and validating AI-generated models is becoming more important
How AI tools are changing the future role of financial modelers
Why strong modeling fundamentals still matter in an AI-driven world
Here are a few quotes from the episode:
“AI can build something quick, but if you want it to be right, often the majority of the time is in checking it.” - Michael Jarman
“The most interesting question is how do you get from something that works to something you actually feel confident in.” - Diarmuid Early
AI is changing the way financial models are built, reviewed, and improved. While AI can increase speed and efficiency, the best results still come from professionals who understand modeling principles, question outputs, and apply human judgement. The future belongs to modelers who can combine technology with expertise.
Follow Ian:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor
Follow Giles:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15
Follow Michael Jarman:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/michael-jarman-excel
Follow Diarmuid Early:
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/diarmuidearly
In today’s episode:
[00:00] – Trailer
[03:59] – Setting Up the Competition
[09:50] – AI Competition Commentary
[13:02] – Shortcut vs Human Results
[16:17] – AI Review Agents
[20:11] – Trusting AI Models
[29:41] – Future of AI Agents
[33:13] – Human Oversight in AI
[41:27] – Real-World Modeling Challenges
[45:54] – Beyond AI Prompting
[47:50] – Future of Financial Modeling
[53:20] – Closing Thoughts


![Your Data Wont Convince Anyone. Do This Instead. | Gabrielle Dolan on FP&A Storytelling
FP&A & AI Software Showcase: Explore Leading Tools
FP&A leaders are embracing AI, and we’re here to help. On May 21st, I’ll host the FP&A & AI Software Showcase, featuring FP&A planning and AI tools like Concourse, Sapien, Drivetrain, and Una AI. Join us for live demos, insights, and no sales pressure.
Register today: www.thefpandaguy.com/fpa-software-showcase
In this episode of FP&A Unlocked, Paul Barnhurst speaks with Gabrielle Dolan, a global expert in strategic storytelling, about the power of storytelling in business and how it can transform communication. Gabrielle shares her journey from senior leadership at the National Australia Bank to becoming a bestselling author and storytelling expert. She discusses how storytelling helps finance professionals influence decisions, engage teams, and communicate complex messages effectively.
Gabrielle Dolan is a global expert in strategic storytelling and communication, having worked with leaders from companies like Amazon, EY, Uber, and the Obama Foundation. With over 20 years of experience in leadership roles and storytelling, Gabrielle is the bestselling author of eight books, including her latest Story Intelligence: The Craft of Authentic Storytelling Made Smarter with AI. She is also the co-host of the podcast Keeping It Real with Jack and Ral, which ranks in Spotifys top 3% most shared podcasts.
Expect to Learn:
Why storytelling is essential for influencing decisions in finance and business.
The impact of authenticity and vulnerability in leadership communication.
How AI can enhance storytelling without losing its human touch.
Practical tips for finance professionals on how to use stories in presentations.
Here are a few relevant quotes from the episode:
“Storytelling is not about manipulation, it’s about authentic communication.” – Gabrielle Dolan
“AI can be your creative partner, but don’t lose your voice when telling your story.” – Gabrielle Dolan
Gabrielle Dolan shared her invaluable insights on the power of storytelling in business, especially for finance professionals. She highlighted how storytelling is a vital tool for influencing decisions, building connections, and making complex messages more memorable. Gabrielle emphasized the importance of authenticity in storytelling and explained how AI can enhance the storytelling process without losing the human connection
Follow Gabrielle:
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/
Podcast Link - https://podfollow.com/keeping-it-real-with-jac-and-ral
YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@KeepingItRealwithJacandRal
Earn Your CPE Credit
For CPE credit, please go to earmarkcpe.com, listen to the episode, download the app, answer a few questions, and earn your CPE certification. To earn education credits for the FPAC Certificate, take the quiz on earmark and contact Paul Barnhurst for further details.
In Today’s Episode
[00:00] – Trailer
[03:18] – Gabrielles Leadership to Storytelling Journey
[06:00] – Challenges in Transitioning to Storytelling
[10:00] – Storytellings Role in Business Decisions
[13:37] – Why Data Alone Wont Drive Action
[17:44] – Finding the Right Story for Your Message
[22:10] – Storytelling and Data in Finance
[30:14] – The Power of Story Intelligence in Leadership
[35:09] – AIs Role in Enhancing Storytelling
[40:15] – Rapid Fire Questions
[43:00] – Conclusion & Key Takeaways Your Data Wont Convince Anyone. Do This Instead. | Gabrielle Dolan on FP&A Storytelling](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VGUVC8ctw6M/mqdefault.jpg)




![Should Finance Pros Be Using Vibe Coding to Build Their Own Tools? with Brock & Natalia
In this episode of FP&A Unlocked, host Paul Barnhurst is joined by Brock Beyer and Natalia Kudinova to discuss how vibe coding is changing the way finance professionals automate work and build practical tools. They explore real-world use cases, AI token costs, security and maintenance concerns, and why finance teams should start with simple, repetitive processes rather than business-critical systems.
Brock Beyer is the CPA Controller at Jump, where he has used vibe coding to build internal productivity tools. Natalia Kudinova is a Senior Director at ABBYY with experience across finance leadership, treasury, tax, reporting, transformation, and process improvement.
Expect to Learn:
What vibe coding means for finance professionals
Practical finance processes you can automate with AI
How to manage AI token usage and costs
Why security and human oversight remain essential
How to start small and learn through experimentation
Here are a few relevant quotes from the episode:
“You dont have to feel this pressure to vibe code every single tool.” - Brock Beyer
“Start with the tasks that you are most tired of doing manually.” - Natalia Kudinova
Vibe coding is giving finance professionals new ways to automate repetitive work and build practical tools without traditional coding expertise. The key is to start small, focus on well-defined processes, and keep humans involved in reviewing results. As AI adoption grows, security, cost, and maintainability will remain critical considerations.
Follow Natalia:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalia-kudinova-aca/
Follow Brock:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brockbeyer/
Disclosure: Portions of this episode (such as the introduction or promotional segments) use AI-generated voice narration produced under human editorial review.
Earn Your CPE Credit
For CPE credit, please go to earmarkcpe.com, listen to the episode, download the app, answer a few questions, and earn your CPE certification. To earn education credits for the FPAC Certificate, take the quiz on earmark and contact Paul Barnhurst for further details.
In Todays Episode:
[00:00] - Trailer
[03:12] - What Great FP&A Looks Like
[04:59] - What Is Vibe Coding?
[09:36] - Getting Started With Vibe Coding
[16:02] - Where Vibe Coding Makes Sense
[20:21] - AI Token Costs and ROI
[34:12] - Best Finance Processes to Automate
[41:53] - What You Shouldnt Vibe Code
[46:17] - Maintenance and Security
[54:17] - Final Advice Should Finance Pros Be Using Vibe Coding to Build Their Own Tools? with Brock & Natalia](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WGeI5Vug9pc/mqdefault.jpg)
![AI Is Already Changing Data Jobs: Why You Must Create More Value Now with Rob Collie
In this episode of Future Finance, hosts Paul Barnhurst and Glenn Hopper welcome Robert Collie, founder and CEO of P3 Adaptive, for a conversation about artificial intelligence, data analytics, and how finance professionals can prepare for the future of work. Robert shares his journey from helping build Power BI at Microsoft to founding P3 Adaptive and explains why AI is creating both disruption and new opportunities for finance and data professionals.
Robert Collie is the founder and CEO of P3 Adaptive, a Microsoft analytics and AI consulting firm. During his 13 years at Microsoft, Robert helped lead the development of Power Pivot and Power BI. He is also the author of the bestselling Power Pivot and Power BI book and hosts the Raw Data with Rob Collie podcast. His upcoming book, Fair Game: Customizing AI to Your Business is Easier Than You Think, explores how organizations can make AI practical and accessible.
In this episode, you will discover:
How Power BI and Power Pivot changed the way organizations use data.
Why AI is creating new opportunities for finance and data professionals.
Why sitting still with current skills can create career risks.
How companies can build AI systems using strong data foundations.
Why semantic models are becoming essential for AI adoption.
Robert brings decades of experience in business intelligence, analytics, and AI, sharing practical lessons on how finance leaders and data professionals can adapt, learn, and create value in a rapidly changing environment.
Follow Glenn:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gbhopperiii
Follow Paul:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thefpandaguy
Follow Robert:
Website: https://p3adaptive.com/
Book: https://fairgamebook.ai/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robcollie/
Future Finance is sponsored by QFlow.ai, the strategic finance platform solving the toughest part of planning and analysis: B2B revenue. Align sales, marketing, and finance, speed up decision-making, and lock in accountability with QFlow.ai.
Stay tuned for a deeper understanding of how AI is shaping the future of finance and what it means for businesses and individuals alike.
In Today’s Episode:
[00:00] – Trailer
[00:00] – How AI is changing jobs
[02:43] – Robert’s Microsoft journey
[06:06] – Power BI and Power Pivot impact
[11:25] – Leaving Microsoft for P3 Adaptive
[15:43] – AI and the future of data work
[19:33] – Making AI accessible
[25:13] – AI tools and better workflows
[31:11] – AI in career planning
[33:38] – AI changing finance and consulting
[35:16] – Why semantic models matter
[38:35] – Building a strong company culture
[40:34] – Robert’s AI book and future plans AI Is Already Changing Data Jobs: Why You Must Create More Value Now with Rob Collie](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WvkOp0TQjRI/mqdefault.jpg)

