Uploaded April 2026 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago
Gretchen Kay Stuart (gretchenkaystuart.com/) is a wildlife photographer who has cultivated a special relationship with the Cascade red fox. She first spotted the rare animal in 2020 on the slope of Mount Rainier in Washington State. “I instantly fell in love,” she recalls.
So Stuart started documenting the foxes wherever she could. Sometimes she’s witnessed tragic endings, but other times, the outcome has been more rewarding. For instance, she received exclusive access to photograph a family of these foxes, and her documentation is helping bring awareness to this subspecies (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/cascade-red-foxes-notoriously-reclusive-how-photographer-captured-stunning-images-endangered-species-180988419/?preview) that has only 50-some individuals remaining.
In this episode, host Ari Daniel talks to Stuart and Jocelyn Akins of the Cascades Carnivore Project (cascadescarnivore.org/team) about what makes these foxes special, the threats they’re facing, and what’s being done to keep them from going extinct.
A transcript is below. Stuart’s favorite Cascade red fox photograph will be featured in a new exhibition, “The Nature of Hope (https://www.festivaldellafotografiaetica.it/the-nature-of-hope-eng/) ,” celebrating the life of Jane Goodall. The image is also part of a fundraiser (vitalimpacts.org/collections/maison-senato-milano-open-edition/products/gretchen-kay-stuart-whitefoot) sponsored by the conservation group Vital Impacts to benefit the Jane Goodall Institute.
To subscribe to “There’s More to That,” and to listen to past episodes about a prehistoric cave that entombed animals for millennia (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/journey-into-a-prehistoric-cave-that-trapped-and-entombed-animals-for-millennia-180986775/) ; the teeming world of migrating birds, bats and bugs above our heads (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/birds-bats-and-bugs-the-teeming-world-above-our-heads-180987559/) ; and the army of experts and citizen scientists devoted to protecting native bees (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-swarm-of-people-intent-on-saving-our-bees-180986278/) , find us on Apple Podcasts (podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/theres-more-to-that/id1694965155?ign-itscg=30200&ign-itsct=podcast_box_player) , Spotify (open.spotify.com/show/4NYRCRxkYJTLjW71sqYOFv?si=08fa62c3e59d450f&nd=1) , iHeartRadio (iheart.com/) or wherever you get your podcasts.
“There’s More to That” is a production of Smithsonian magazine and PRX Productions.
From the magazine, our team is Ari Daniel, Debra Rosenberg and Brian Wolly. From PRX, our team is Ali Budner, Cleo Levin, Genevieve Sponsler, Sandra Lopez-Monsalve and Edwin Ochoa. The executive producer of PRX Productions is Jocelyn Gonzales.
Fact-checking by Stephanie Abramson.
Episode artwork by Emily Lankiewicz. Images by Gretchen Kay Stuart and public domain.
Gretchen Kay Stuart (gretchenkaystuart.com/) is a wildlife photographer who has cultivated a special relationship with the Cascade red fox. She first spotted the rare animal in 2020 on the slope of Mount Rainier in Washington State. “I instantly fell in love,” she recalls.
So Stuart started documenting the foxes wherever she could. Sometimes she’s witnessed tragic endings, but other times, the outcome has been more rewarding. For instance, she received exclusive access to photograph a family of these foxes, and her documentation is helping bring awareness to this subspecies (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/cascade-red-foxes-notoriously-reclusive-how-photographer-captured-stunning-images-endangered-species-180988419/?preview) that has only 50-some individuals remaining.
In this episode, host Ari Daniel talks to Stuart and Jocelyn Akins of the Cascades Carnivore Project (cascadescarnivore.org/team) about what makes these foxes special, the threats they’re facing, and what’s being done to keep them from going extinct.
A transcript is below. Stuart’s favorite Cascade red fox photograph will be featured in a new exhibition, “The Nature of Hope (https://www.festivaldellafotografiaetica.it/the-nature-of-hope-eng/) ,” celebrating the life of Jane Goodall. The image is also part of a fundraiser (vitalimpacts.org/collections/maison-senato-milano-open-edition/products/gretchen-kay-stuart-whitefoot) sponsored by the conservation group Vital Impacts to benefit the Jane Goodall Institute.
To subscribe to “There’s More to That,” and to listen to past episodes about a prehistoric cave that entombed animals for millennia (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/journey-into-a-prehistoric-cave-that-trapped-and-entombed-animals-for-millennia-180986775/) ; the teeming world of migrating birds, bats and bugs above our heads (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/birds-bats-and-bugs-the-teeming-world-above-our-heads-180987559/) ; and the army of experts and citizen scientists devoted to protecting native bees (smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-swarm-of-people-intent-on-saving-our-bees-180986278/) , find us on Apple Podcasts (podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/theres-more-to-that/id1694965155?ign-itscg=30200&ign-itsct=podcast_box_player) , Spotify (open.spotify.com/show/4NYRCRxkYJTLjW71sqYOFv?si=08fa62c3e59d450f&nd=1) , iHeartRadio (iheart.com/) or wherever you get your podcasts.
“There’s More to That” is a production of Smithsonian magazine and PRX Productions.
From the magazine, our team is Ari Daniel, Debra Rosenberg and Brian Wolly. From PRX, our team is Ali Budner, Cleo Levin, Genevieve Sponsler, Sandra Lopez-Monsalve and Edwin Ochoa. The executive producer of PRX Productions is Jocelyn Gonzales.
Fact-checking by Stephanie Abramson.
Episode artwork by Emily Lankiewicz. Images by Gretchen Kay Stuart and public domain.
