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Everyone loves a good leader. But they’re often held up as these singular examples of success, vision, inspiration, and perseverance. And we struggle to learn from their stories and distill them into a practical, repeatable blueprint for good leadership.
In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. James Hebl, Medical Director for Leadership and Talent Development at Mayo Clinic and a certified executive coach for healthcare leaders. He’s here to break down the somewhat nebulous concept of leadership into something that we can define, measure, and get better at.
The three big questions Dr. Hebl is going to help us tackle are:
1. What is leadership really, and how can we move it from a vague concept into something concrete?
2. Why do so many of us struggle to develop ourselves as leaders and to teach others about leadership?
3. How can we use this framework to better lead ourselves and others?
Learn more about On Human Optimization and access Pod-Club questions at https://ce.mayo.edu/content/mayo-clinic-human-optimization
0:00 Leadership is a lifelong journey
0:18 Podcast introduction and episode overview
1:52 Defining leadership in practical terms
4:05 The five levels of leadership
6:41 The three Ps of leadership potential
9:28 Why leadership development is challenging
12:20 Blind spots, feedback, and executive coaching
16:10 Leadership development is a continuous journey
21:33 How to assess your leadership skills
24:27 The LLIFE leadership competency framework
27:45 Leading self and leading others
30:53 Inspiring, forward-thinking, and engaging others
36:30 Leadership framework key takeaways
39:15 Closing thoughts and podcast resources
40:12 Podcast disclaimer
Instagram: @MayoHumanOptimization
YouTube: On Human Optimization - YouTube
Email: optimize@mayo.edu
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Find us online at Mayo Clinic Press for more health and wellness articles, podcasts and books: mcpress.mayoclinic.org/podcasts/?utm_campaign=agingforward&utm_medium=link&utm_source=podcast
Do you have feedback, questions or topic suggestions? Email us at mcppodcasts@mayo.edu.
Everyone loves a good leader. But they’re often held up as these singular examples of success, vision, inspiration, and perseverance. And we struggle to learn from their stories and distill them into a practical, repeatable blueprint for good leadership.
In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. James Hebl, Medical Director for Leadership and Talent Development at Mayo Clinic and a certified executive coach for healthcare leaders. He’s here to break down the somewhat nebulous concept of leadership into something that we can define, measure, and get better at.
The three big questions Dr. Hebl is going to help us tackle are:
1. What is leadership really, and how can we move it from a vague concept into something concrete?
2. Why do so many of us struggle to develop ourselves as leaders and to teach others about leadership?
3. How can we use this framework to better lead ourselves and others?
Learn more about On Human Optimization and access Pod-Club questions at https://ce.mayo.edu/content/mayo-clinic-human-optimization
0:00 Leadership is a lifelong journey
0:18 Podcast introduction and episode overview
1:52 Defining leadership in practical terms
4:05 The five levels of leadership
6:41 The three Ps of leadership potential
9:28 Why leadership development is challenging
12:20 Blind spots, feedback, and executive coaching
16:10 Leadership development is a continuous journey
21:33 How to assess your leadership skills
24:27 The LLIFE leadership competency framework
27:45 Leading self and leading others
30:53 Inspiring, forward-thinking, and engaging others
36:30 Leadership framework key takeaways
39:15 Closing thoughts and podcast resources
40:12 Podcast disclaimer
Instagram: @MayoHumanOptimization
YouTube: On Human Optimization - YouTube
Email: optimize@mayo.edu
Sign up to receive Mayo Clinic Press emails: links.e.response.mayoclinic.org/MCPressAFSignup
Find us online at Mayo Clinic Press for more health and wellness articles, podcasts and books: mcpress.mayoclinic.org/podcasts/?utm_campaign=agingforward&utm_medium=link&utm_source=podcast
Do you have feedback, questions or topic suggestions? Email us at mcppodcasts@mayo.edu.
