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What if debt isn't simply a financial obligation - but the hidden engine driving the modern economy?
In Episode 2 of Connecting the Dots, Professor Steve Keen and filmmaker, researcher, and health advocate Nivi Jaswal-Wirtjes explore how private debt became the foundation of economic growth - and why that dependence may have made modern economies increasingly fragile.
Together, they trace the origins of debt from ancient gift economies and reciprocal human relationships to today's financialized world of mortgages, credit cards, student loans, and speculative asset markets. Steve explains why money is created through debt, how mainstream economics misunderstood its origins, and why centuries of relatively stable societies gave way to perpetual growth after the Industrial Revolution and the widespread use of fossil fuels.
Why did charging interest become acceptable only after economies began to grow? Why has mortgage debt become so central to wealth creation? What happens when debt shifts from financing innovation to inflating asset prices? And how does a debt-driven economy contribute to financial insecurity, psychological stress, and even burnout?
Steve also introduces the idea of a Modern Debt Jubilee, arguing that reducing excessive private debt may be essential for restoring economic stability, productivity, and long-term wellbeing. Together, Steve and Nivi examine whether our economies need perpetual expansion to survive—or whether a wiser relationship with debt could create greater resilience for both people and the planet.
In this episode:
00:00 — Debt: The hidden engine of modern economies
03:27 — Why money is created through debt
04:50 — Debt began as reciprocity, not finance
09:17 — The Iroquois, gift economies & communal societies
11:26 — Adam Smith, barter & the myths of economics
14:23 — Why economies were once stable without growth
17:11 — Fossil fuels, interest & the birth of growth economics
27:04 — Credit cards, student loans & mortgage debt
31:10 — Why a mortgage literally means a "death contract"
35:59 — Debt, burnout & exploiting the planet
40:23 — Steve Keen's Modern Debt Jubilee
43:19 — Can economies thrive without endless expansion?
👉 Download Steve Keen's FREE 3-Book Rebel Economist Bundle:
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Steve Keen is one of the world's leading heterodox economists, internationally recognized for accurately predicting the 2008 Global Financial Crisis and for challenging mainstream economic theory. Through his books, lectures, courses, and Rebel Economist community, he explores how money, debt, banking, energy, and ecological limits shape the real economy.
Learn more:
stevekeen.com
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Third Degree Burnout – A Survivor's Guide is a multi-award-winning documentary and educational initiative produced by The Virsa Foundation, a U.S. 501(c)(3) nonprofit. Through research, storytelling, and community screenings, we're helping universities, healthcare organizations, workplaces, and communities better understand burnout, resilience, food systems, and planetary health.
Help fuel the impact:
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#ConnectingTheDots #SteveKeen #RebelEconomist #Debt #Economics #EconomicGrowth #FinancialCrisis #SystemsThinking
👉 Download Steve Keen's FREE 3-Book Rebel Economist Bundle:
stevekeen.com
👉 Support the Global Impact Campaign for Third Degree Burnout – A Survivor's Guide:
thirddegreeburnout.com/fueltheimpact
What if debt isn't simply a financial obligation - but the hidden engine driving the modern economy?
In Episode 2 of Connecting the Dots, Professor Steve Keen and filmmaker, researcher, and health advocate Nivi Jaswal-Wirtjes explore how private debt became the foundation of economic growth - and why that dependence may have made modern economies increasingly fragile.
Together, they trace the origins of debt from ancient gift economies and reciprocal human relationships to today's financialized world of mortgages, credit cards, student loans, and speculative asset markets. Steve explains why money is created through debt, how mainstream economics misunderstood its origins, and why centuries of relatively stable societies gave way to perpetual growth after the Industrial Revolution and the widespread use of fossil fuels.
Why did charging interest become acceptable only after economies began to grow? Why has mortgage debt become so central to wealth creation? What happens when debt shifts from financing innovation to inflating asset prices? And how does a debt-driven economy contribute to financial insecurity, psychological stress, and even burnout?
Steve also introduces the idea of a Modern Debt Jubilee, arguing that reducing excessive private debt may be essential for restoring economic stability, productivity, and long-term wellbeing. Together, Steve and Nivi examine whether our economies need perpetual expansion to survive—or whether a wiser relationship with debt could create greater resilience for both people and the planet.
In this episode:
00:00 — Debt: The hidden engine of modern economies
03:27 — Why money is created through debt
04:50 — Debt began as reciprocity, not finance
09:17 — The Iroquois, gift economies & communal societies
11:26 — Adam Smith, barter & the myths of economics
14:23 — Why economies were once stable without growth
17:11 — Fossil fuels, interest & the birth of growth economics
27:04 — Credit cards, student loans & mortgage debt
31:10 — Why a mortgage literally means a "death contract"
35:59 — Debt, burnout & exploiting the planet
40:23 — Steve Keen's Modern Debt Jubilee
43:19 — Can economies thrive without endless expansion?
👉 Download Steve Keen's FREE 3-Book Rebel Economist Bundle:
stevekeen.com
Steve Keen is one of the world's leading heterodox economists, internationally recognized for accurately predicting the 2008 Global Financial Crisis and for challenging mainstream economic theory. Through his books, lectures, courses, and Rebel Economist community, he explores how money, debt, banking, energy, and ecological limits shape the real economy.
Learn more:
stevekeen.com
👉 Support the Global Impact Campaign for Third Degree Burnout – A Survivor's Guide
Third Degree Burnout – A Survivor's Guide is a multi-award-winning documentary and educational initiative produced by The Virsa Foundation, a U.S. 501(c)(3) nonprofit. Through research, storytelling, and community screenings, we're helping universities, healthcare organizations, workplaces, and communities better understand burnout, resilience, food systems, and planetary health.
Help fuel the impact:
thirddegreeburnout.com/fueltheimpact
#ConnectingTheDots #SteveKeen #RebelEconomist #Debt #Economics #EconomicGrowth #FinancialCrisis #SystemsThinking
