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After 200-plus episodes and a long stretch of silence, I'm back and the format has changed.
I've spent the last few years standing in front of rooms in K-12, higher ed, business, and industry, saying more or less the same thing: co-pilot, not autopilot(at least to start). Humans in or on or out of the loop. And somewhere in the hundreds of sessions I started to wonder whether I'd gotten really good at saying the things without actually doing them. Whether I'd become the guy with the metaphor(I feel like I have plenty of proof but imposter syndrome is real y'all).
So this season I'm going to stop describing it and show it. Every episode, I sit down with the tool I actually use and treat it as the guest in audio and video. You'll hear where it helps and where it gets things wrong, and where it tells me something about my own work I'd rather not hear.
What's in this episode
The four quadrants. Before you can have a real conversation about AI, you need to be able to say which kind of AI you mean. I walk through the framework I've found most useful: two axes — how deeply the tool is integrated into where you already work, and how much it does without a human in each step. That gives you four types.
Assistant — "I need answers when I ask." You prompt, you decide, you own it. This is the chatting quadrant, and it's where this episode lives.
Copilot — "Help me in the tool I already use." Gemini in Docs, Copilot in Outlook. It comes to you.
Autopilot — "Do this automatically for me." One narrow job, no approval each time.
Agent — "Figure out how, and do it for me." Goals, tools, limits — it picks the steps. I have one that cleans and sorts my desktop at 5:00 every morning.
The left half is productivity AI: a human still produces the outcome. The right half is engineered AI: the system produces it, and somebody still has to own it, monitor it, and answer for it.
Four reasons for the season. The flattening of "AI" into one word that means everything. The gap between people nodding at metaphors and then using the tools at a surface level anyway. The distance between theory-land and the reality of jammed lockers and fire alarms and a kid having a rough day. And a commitment to real pushback and unedited disagreement including with the machine.
What this is not. Not an interview with a person. Not a demo reel as no vendor is paying for this and I'm leaving in the parts that don't work. Not a claim that Claude has earned its opinions. The distinction matters and I'm not blurring it for a better episode.
Five unrehearsed questions. Nothing was pre-tested. Claude confirmed on the record that it hadn't seen the questions and hadn't been coached on how to answer.
What are you, in your own words, and what do people get wrong about you?
Based on how I actually work with you, what's my pattern, where do I lean on you well, and where am I lazy about it?
What's a task educators bring you constantly that you're genuinely bad at, and they don't notice?
When I push back, do you actually disagree, or are you performing disagreement because I asked for it?
What should teachers be more worried about than they currently are?
Three moments worth the listen
"Partial evidence, not a verdict." After Claude named a pattern in how I work, it put a caveat on its own read: that's how I show up in these conversations, not a verdict on me as a person. Real evidence, but partial. Which is exactly what we're failing to do with students adn this is a detection flag that becomes the whole case, and nobody asks what the kid was stuck on.
The two tests for real disagreement. Ask what would have to be true for it to be wrong; if it can name a specific condition, there's something underneath the agreement. Then push back on something it got right. If it folds instantly and thanks you for the correction, you just watched it choose your approval over the truth. The tell in both cases is speed.
Year three. The worry isn't cheating or job loss. It's that the tasks that felt like busywork were where teacher judgment got built. Writing your own lesson plan is inefficient and the inefficiency is where you notice this won't work for third period. Grading the stack is slow, and somewhere in it you spot four kids sharing a misconception, and that becomes tomorrow. Automate the tedium and you don't just save time, you remove the practice reps. The veterans already have theirs. It's year three that's exposed.
After 200-plus episodes and a long stretch of silence, I'm back and the format has changed.
I've spent the last few years standing in front of rooms in K-12, higher ed, business, and industry, saying more or less the same thing: co-pilot, not autopilot(at least to start). Humans in or on or out of the loop. And somewhere in the hundreds of sessions I started to wonder whether I'd gotten really good at saying the things without actually doing them. Whether I'd become the guy with the metaphor(I feel like I have plenty of proof but imposter syndrome is real y'all).
So this season I'm going to stop describing it and show it. Every episode, I sit down with the tool I actually use and treat it as the guest in audio and video. You'll hear where it helps and where it gets things wrong, and where it tells me something about my own work I'd rather not hear.
What's in this episode
The four quadrants. Before you can have a real conversation about AI, you need to be able to say which kind of AI you mean. I walk through the framework I've found most useful: two axes — how deeply the tool is integrated into where you already work, and how much it does without a human in each step. That gives you four types.
Assistant — "I need answers when I ask." You prompt, you decide, you own it. This is the chatting quadrant, and it's where this episode lives.
Copilot — "Help me in the tool I already use." Gemini in Docs, Copilot in Outlook. It comes to you.
Autopilot — "Do this automatically for me." One narrow job, no approval each time.
Agent — "Figure out how, and do it for me." Goals, tools, limits — it picks the steps. I have one that cleans and sorts my desktop at 5:00 every morning.
The left half is productivity AI: a human still produces the outcome. The right half is engineered AI: the system produces it, and somebody still has to own it, monitor it, and answer for it.
Four reasons for the season. The flattening of "AI" into one word that means everything. The gap between people nodding at metaphors and then using the tools at a surface level anyway. The distance between theory-land and the reality of jammed lockers and fire alarms and a kid having a rough day. And a commitment to real pushback and unedited disagreement including with the machine.
What this is not. Not an interview with a person. Not a demo reel as no vendor is paying for this and I'm leaving in the parts that don't work. Not a claim that Claude has earned its opinions. The distinction matters and I'm not blurring it for a better episode.
Five unrehearsed questions. Nothing was pre-tested. Claude confirmed on the record that it hadn't seen the questions and hadn't been coached on how to answer.
What are you, in your own words, and what do people get wrong about you?
Based on how I actually work with you, what's my pattern, where do I lean on you well, and where am I lazy about it?
What's a task educators bring you constantly that you're genuinely bad at, and they don't notice?
When I push back, do you actually disagree, or are you performing disagreement because I asked for it?
What should teachers be more worried about than they currently are?
Three moments worth the listen
"Partial evidence, not a verdict." After Claude named a pattern in how I work, it put a caveat on its own read: that's how I show up in these conversations, not a verdict on me as a person. Real evidence, but partial. Which is exactly what we're failing to do with students adn this is a detection flag that becomes the whole case, and nobody asks what the kid was stuck on.
The two tests for real disagreement. Ask what would have to be true for it to be wrong; if it can name a specific condition, there's something underneath the agreement. Then push back on something it got right. If it folds instantly and thanks you for the correction, you just watched it choose your approval over the truth. The tell in both cases is speed.
Year three. The worry isn't cheating or job loss. It's that the tasks that felt like busywork were where teacher judgment got built. Writing your own lesson plan is inefficient and the inefficiency is where you notice this won't work for third period. Grading the stack is slow, and somewhere in it you spot four kids sharing a misconception, and that becomes tomorrow. Automate the tedium and you don't just save time, you remove the practice reps. The veterans already have theirs. It's year three that's exposed.
![Design Thinking as Play: Exploring Innovation with NASA
Stephen Smith from NASAs Johnson Space Center discusses NASAs missions, from Mercury to Artemis, and the goal of establishing a long-term presence on the moon to prepare for a future mission to Mars. He emphasizes the importance of play, imagination, and innovation in NASAs work and highlights the technologies developed for space that benefit life on Earth. The video also explores a design thinking session focused on creating a functional fitness device for astronauts to mitigate atrophy in low-gravity environments.
Timestamps:
Introduction to Stephen Smith and NASA: [00:00:00]
Sparks of Wonder: NASAs Missions and Philosophy: [00:05:38]
Q&A: Mars Mission, Benefits of Space Exploration, and Lunar Resources: [00:15:42]
Mission Briefing: Functional Fitness for Astronauts: [00:26:30]
Initial Solution Pitches and Feedback: [00:45:40]
Final Solution Pitches and Feedback: [00:52:48]
Final Thoughts and Advice: [01:15:35] Design Thinking as Play: Exploring Innovation with NASA](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L1qUqDqhZdM/mqdefault.jpg)


![221: Evolving Beyond the Hype: AI, Humanity, and the Cost of Progress
In this episode I reconnect with two brilliant minds who helped me and many others make sense of what it means to learn, create, and live in an AI-driven world. Dr. Jessica Parker and Dr. Kimberly Becker return to the show to reflect on what’s changed since our first conversation about writing, bravery, and the process of living.
Together, we explore what happens after the hype: what they learned from building and closing their startup Moxie, how their thinking about AI and education has evolved, and why they now approach technology with more skepticism, more curiosity, and more humanity.
This is a conversation about slowing down, asking better questions, and remembering that writing is thinking and that no algorithm can replace that process.
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Episode Highlights
Revisiting Moxie and how closing it deepened their understanding of AI, ethics, and learning
The balance between innovation and honesty when your business depends on what you critique
How technical knowledge led them from excitement to skepticism
Moxie “AI Sandwich” workflow and how to use AI to brainstorm and refine while keeping the human in the middle
Kimberly’s story of watching her husband evolve from using AI for tests to using it to write creative scripts for science students
The hidden costs of AI tokens, data, energy, attention, and what it means to “pay the real price”
Why the most valuable outcomes of AI may be emotional: motivation, reassurance, and calm
Rethinking productivity: what if being “more efficient” isn’t the goal?
Quotes
On understanding AI as novice vs. expert
....you cant think critically about something unless you are already an expert, unless you have some level of expertise. There came a point where we were experts enough to see… to think critically enough to say, oh, whoa, wait, hold up, hold up.
What is it worth to you?
....what would I be willing to pay if I had to pay the true cost of this? Because right now, our use of AI is fully subsidized by venture capital and these big tech companies. But if you had to pay the full cost of what that interaction was, if its $75, would you pay for it?
Power of Choice
....what are you saying no, and what are you saying yes to? And not just in terms of financial, but all resources. Time, energy, serenity. I think about serenity as a resource for me, because I need to refill my cup. I cannot just be a yes girl, because I somehow ended up one.....what are you willing to pay for in all the different ways we pay for things, and are you saying yes to too many things?
Mirage of Productivity to Save Time
And its just crazy to think that this is gonna give us more time, and were gonna be more productive and more efficient. No, youre just gonna get a new task......this mirage of well reach so much productivity that well have a leisure class, itll be a four-day work week. Its never happened, and what do you know? Its not going to happen, because that is not the culture and the system that we are in, which prioritizes growth at all costs, no matter what.
Resources
Episode 207: The Importance of Good Writing, Curiosity, Bravery, and the Process of Living
Practical AI for Educators PD for Higher Education Session 3 Breakout With Kimberly
Jessica on LinkedIn
Kimberly on LinkedIn
Link: AI Sandwich Graphic by Moxie
Book: Empire of AI
Substack: Women Writin Bout AI
Podcast: Women Talkin Bout AI
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