The Dissenter | #1004 Lawrence Anton - Antinatalism: Birth, Death, Consent, and Extinction @TheDissenterRL | Uploaded October 2024 | Updated October 2024, 17 minutes ago.
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RECORDED ON JULY 7th 2024.
Lawrence Anton has a YouTube channel on antinatalism - @LawrenceAnton.
In this episode, we discuss antinatalism. We start by talking about how Lawrence got into antinatalism. We then explore some of the most common arguments for antinatalism, like the asymmetry argument, whether we can say that life is objectively bad, whether death is a harm, and the argument based on consent. We also talk about the most compelling arguments against antinatalism. We discuss a thought experiment about being able to choose to never be born. We talk about the selfishness of arguments for having kids. Finally, we discuss extinctionism, whether human extinction would be good or bad, and arguments put forth by transhumanists and longtermists.
Time Links:
00:00 Intro
00:40 How Lawrence got into antinatalism
12:32 The asymmetry argument
22:03 Is life objectively bad?
37:14 Is death really a harm?
45:42 The consent argument
53:29 Compelling arguments against antinatalism
58:03 A thought experiment
1:01:46 Arguments for having kids
1:05:31 Transhumanism and longtermism
1:08:32 Would human extinction be good?
1:19:54 Follow Anton’s work!
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Follow Anton’s work:
An Antinatalist Handbook: antinatalisthandbook.org
Antinatalist Advocacy: antinatalistadvocacy.org
Patreon page: tinyurl.com/mr4bdczu
Twitter handle: @lawrence_anton1
Mentioned videos:
Stockholm Syndrome: youtu.be/6t08ihh8EK0
Being glad to be born: youtu.be/AgtcI_Bx9t4
Antinatalism and extinction: youtu.be/EjPWAu37yk4
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A SPECIAL THANKS TO MY PRODUCERS, YZAR WEHBE, JIM FRANK, ŁUKASZ STAFINIAK, TOM VANEGDOM, BERNARD HUGUENEY, CURTIS DIXON, BENEDIKT MUELLER, THOMAS TRUMBLE, KATHRINE AND PATRICK TOBIN, JONCARLO MONTENEGRO, AL NICK ORTIZ, NICK GOLDEN, AND CHRISTINE GLASS!
AND TO MY EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS, MATTHEW LAVENDER, SERGIU CODREANU, BOGDAN KANIVETS, ROSEY, AND GREGORY HASTINGS!
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This show is sponsored by Enlites, Learning & Development done differently. Check the website here: enlites.com
RECORDED ON JULY 7th 2024.
Lawrence Anton has a YouTube channel on antinatalism - @LawrenceAnton.
In this episode, we discuss antinatalism. We start by talking about how Lawrence got into antinatalism. We then explore some of the most common arguments for antinatalism, like the asymmetry argument, whether we can say that life is objectively bad, whether death is a harm, and the argument based on consent. We also talk about the most compelling arguments against antinatalism. We discuss a thought experiment about being able to choose to never be born. We talk about the selfishness of arguments for having kids. Finally, we discuss extinctionism, whether human extinction would be good or bad, and arguments put forth by transhumanists and longtermists.
Time Links:
00:00 Intro
00:40 How Lawrence got into antinatalism
12:32 The asymmetry argument
22:03 Is life objectively bad?
37:14 Is death really a harm?
45:42 The consent argument
53:29 Compelling arguments against antinatalism
58:03 A thought experiment
1:01:46 Arguments for having kids
1:05:31 Transhumanism and longtermism
1:08:32 Would human extinction be good?
1:19:54 Follow Anton’s work!
--
Follow Anton’s work:
An Antinatalist Handbook: antinatalisthandbook.org
Antinatalist Advocacy: antinatalistadvocacy.org
Patreon page: tinyurl.com/mr4bdczu
Twitter handle: @lawrence_anton1
Mentioned videos:
Stockholm Syndrome: youtu.be/6t08ihh8EK0
Being glad to be born: youtu.be/AgtcI_Bx9t4
Antinatalism and extinction: youtu.be/EjPWAu37yk4
--
A HUGE THANK YOU TO MY PATRONS/SUPPORTERS: PER HELGE LARSEN, JERRY MULLER, BERNARDO SEIXAS, ADAM KESSEL, MATTHEW WHITINGBIRD, ARNAUD WOLFF, TIM HOLLOSY, HENRIK AHLENIUS, FILIP FORS CONNOLLY, DAN DEMETRIOU, ROBERT WINDHAGER, RUI INACIO, ZOOP, MARCO NEVES, COLIN HOLBROOK, PHIL KAVANAGH, SAMUEL ANDREEFF, FRANCIS FORDE, TIAGO NUNES, FERGAL CUSSEN, HAL HERZOG, NUNO MACHADO, JONATHAN LEIBRANT, JOÃO LINHARES, STANTON T, SAMUEL CORREA, ERIK HAINES, MARK SMITH, JOÃO EIRA, TOM HUMMEL, SARDUS FRANCE, DAVID SLOAN WILSON, YACILA DEZA-ARAUJO, ROMAIN ROCH, DIEGO LONDOÑO CORREA, YANICK PUNTER, CHARLOTTE BLEASE, NICOLE BARBARO, ADAM HUNT, PAWEL OSTASZEWSKI, NELLEKE BAK, GUY MADISON, GARY G HELLMANN, SAIMA AFZAL, ADRIAN JAEGGI, PAULO TOLENTINO, JOÃO BARBOSA, JULIAN PRICE, EDWARD HALL, HEDIN BRØNNER, DOUGLAS FRY, FRANCA BORTOLOTTI, GABRIEL PONS CORTÈS, URSULA LITZCKE, SCOTT, ZACHARY FISH, TIM DUFFY, SUNNY SMITH, JON WISMAN, WILLIAM BUCKNER, PAUL-GEORGE ARNAUD, LUKE GLOWACKI, GEORGIOS THEOPHANOUS, CHRIS WILLIAMSON, PETER WOLOSZYN, DAVID WILLIAMS, DIOGO COSTA, ALEX CHAU, AMAURI MARTÍNEZ, CORALIE CHEVALLIER, BANGALORE ATHEISTS, LARRY D. LEE JR., OLD HERRINGBONE, MICHAEL BAILEY, DAN SPERBER, ROBERT GRESSIS, IGOR N, JEFF MCMAHAN, JAKE ZUEHL, BARNABAS RADICS, MARK CAMPBELL, TOMAS DAUBNER, LUKE NISSEN, KIMBERLY JOHNSON, JESSICA NOWICKI, LINDA BRANDIN, NIKLAS CARLSSON, GEORGE CHORIATIS, VALENTIN STEINMANN, PER KRAULIS, ALEXANDER HUBBARD, BR, MASOUD ALIMOHAMMADI, JONAS HERTNER, URSULA GOODENOUGH, DAVID PINSOF, SEAN NELSON, MIKE LAVIGNE, JOS KNECHT, ERIK ENGMAN, LUCY, MANVIR SINGH, PETRA WEIMANN, CAROLA FEEST, STARRY, MAURO JÚNIOR, 航 豊川, TONY BARRETT, BENJAMIN GELBART, NIKOLAI VISHNEVSKY, STEVEN GANGESTAD, AND TED FARRIS!
A SPECIAL THANKS TO MY PRODUCERS, YZAR WEHBE, JIM FRANK, ŁUKASZ STAFINIAK, TOM VANEGDOM, BERNARD HUGUENEY, CURTIS DIXON, BENEDIKT MUELLER, THOMAS TRUMBLE, KATHRINE AND PATRICK TOBIN, JONCARLO MONTENEGRO, AL NICK ORTIZ, NICK GOLDEN, AND CHRISTINE GLASS!
AND TO MY EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS, MATTHEW LAVENDER, SERGIU CODREANU, BOGDAN KANIVETS, ROSEY, AND GREGORY HASTINGS!
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