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Dr. Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist, founder of the Obama White House Behavioral Science Team, and a featured expert in the Netflix documentary "Limitless with Chris Hemsworth." We discuss navigating involuntary change, the illusion of control, identity loss, and practical tools to see change as revelation. READ MORE👉🏼 bit.ly/richroll961
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00:00:00 Intro
00:00:38 Affective Forecasting & Fear of Change
00:05:13 Illusion of Control & Uncertainty
00:07:35 Change and Identity Threat
00:11:56 Attachment to Identity & Community
00:15:09 Achievement, Control, and Self-Worth
00:19:29 The Need for Practical Tools
00:22:33 Sponsor Break
00:25:29 Maya’s Early Life & Identity Crisis
00:28:47 Current Projects & Media Appearances
00:29:37 Universal Lessons from Diverse Stories
00:33:36 The Brain’s Response to Change
00:36:15 Change as Revelation & The Power of Curiosity
00:39:52 Acceptance, Denial, and Agency
00:50:50 Strategies for Embracing Change
00:56:31 Sponsor Break
00:59:12 Challenging Core Beliefs & Narrative Identity
01:01:36 Technology, Belief Systems, and Identity
01:02:37 Strategies for Challenging Beliefs
01:08:10 Curiosity as a Tool for Change
01:14:02 Moral Elevation & Role Models
01:20:25 Distinguishing Moral Elevation from Motivation
01:23:14 Transferring Skills & Fiction as Identity Laboratory
01:29:35 Psychological Distance & Detachment
01:34:12 Rumination, Metacognition, and Coping
01:39:50 Awe, Perspective, and the Cosmic View
01:44:18 Meaning-Making & Locus of Control
01:52:30 Blueprint for Responding to Sudden Change
01:53:05 The Promise and Gifts of Change
01:57:24 Case Study: Tara’s Transformation
02:02:24 Conclusion: The Universal Nature of Change
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Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles:
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bit.ly/vegansglam
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Dr. Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist, founder of the Obama White House Behavioral Science Team, and a featured expert in the Netflix documentary "Limitless with Chris Hemsworth." We discuss navigating involuntary change, the illusion of control, identity loss, and practical tools to see change as revelation. READ MORE👉🏼 bit.ly/richroll961
✌🏼🌱 – Rich
This Episode Is Brought To You By…
Go Brewing: Use code Rich Roll for 15% OFF👉🏼bit.ly/gobrewing2025
Momentous: High-caliber human performance products for sleep, focus, longevity, and more. For listeners of the show, Momentous is offering up to 35% off your first order👉🏼bit.ly/LiveMomentous2025
Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼rivian.com
WHOOP: The all-new WHOOP 5.0 is here! Get your first month FREE👉🏼join.whoop.com/Roll
Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼richroll.com/sponsors
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:38 Affective Forecasting & Fear of Change
00:05:13 Illusion of Control & Uncertainty
00:07:35 Change and Identity Threat
00:11:56 Attachment to Identity & Community
00:15:09 Achievement, Control, and Self-Worth
00:19:29 The Need for Practical Tools
00:22:33 Sponsor Break
00:25:29 Maya’s Early Life & Identity Crisis
00:28:47 Current Projects & Media Appearances
00:29:37 Universal Lessons from Diverse Stories
00:33:36 The Brain’s Response to Change
00:36:15 Change as Revelation & The Power of Curiosity
00:39:52 Acceptance, Denial, and Agency
00:50:50 Strategies for Embracing Change
00:56:31 Sponsor Break
00:59:12 Challenging Core Beliefs & Narrative Identity
01:01:36 Technology, Belief Systems, and Identity
01:02:37 Strategies for Challenging Beliefs
01:08:10 Curiosity as a Tool for Change
01:14:02 Moral Elevation & Role Models
01:20:25 Distinguishing Moral Elevation from Motivation
01:23:14 Transferring Skills & Fiction as Identity Laboratory
01:29:35 Psychological Distance & Detachment
01:34:12 Rumination, Metacognition, and Coping
01:39:50 Awe, Perspective, and the Cosmic View
01:44:18 Meaning-Making & Locus of Control
01:52:30 Blueprint for Responding to Sudden Change
01:53:05 The Promise and Gifts of Change
01:57:24 Case Study: Tara’s Transformation
02:02:24 Conclusion: The Universal Nature of Change
LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST
Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/rrpitunes
Spotify: bit.ly/rrpspotify
Google: bit.ly/rrpgooglepods
Meal Planner: meals.richroll.com
Voicing Change Book: richroll.com/vc
Clips Channel: youtube.com/c/RichRollPodcastClips
Newsletter: bit.ly/rollcallemail
CONNECT WITH RICH
✩ Website - http://richroll.com
✩ Rich Roll Podcast - richroll.com/all-episodes
✩ Instagram - instagram.com/richroll
✩ Twitter - twitter.com/richroll
✩ Facebook - facebook.com/richrollfans
✩ Strava - strava.com/athletes/14443?oq=rich
✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - richroll.com/shop/books/finding-ultra
✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com
✩ Cook - The Plantpower Way - richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-signed
✩ Italian! - The Plantpower Way: Italia - richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-italia-signed
✩ Support - patreon.com/richroll
Thanks To The Team: Jason Camiolo, Dan Drake, Morgan McRae, Blake Curtis, Desmond Loh
* * * * *
NEW TO RICH?
Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles:
bit.ly/otillonyt
bit.ly/vegansglam
I LOVE MAIL! SEND IT HERE:
2630 Conejo Spectrum St.
Thousand Oaks, CA 91320
#richroll #richrollpodcast
