The Net (111): Third-Party App Doom, The Introduction Problem & Grace-Err for Virtue-Showing Beauty O.G. Rose 2024-08-13 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQSamuel Barnes:youtube.com/@smlbarnes/videosThomas Winn:youtube.com/watch?v=B1fuA0vGVwQ&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmin3lagafdgqT0xV9pcv3Zk&index=62&t=28sMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingDimitri Crooijmans:youtube.com/@Actual_Spirit__________Photo by Pat Whelen For the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #191: Alex Ebert on Unreasonable Power O.G. Rose 2024-10-18 | For the Philosophy Portal Conference which inspired this discussion:https://philosophyportal.online/rosy-cross____________________________________Alex Ebert is an incidental musician and philosopher (among too many other things, incidentally). His interest in Hegelian philosophy began (unbeknownst to him) more than a decade ago, with his development of a peculiar mathematical function (magnetic zeros). Said function is now the centerpiece of his Hegelian philosophy of sublation (freQ theory), and, for better or worse, serves as his platinum-selling band’s name. Check out his Substack, Bad Guru, here:badguru.substack.comFor his essay on Hegel and the Science of Logic, please see:amazon.com/Enter-Alien-Thinking-Century-Hegel-ebook/dp/B0BC6HCP6S?ref_=ast_author_dp&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.escegTE-0HcphkjgQzslv-7_Uj-ada-QsRJz4X0zh6FOzHXSg7uBcL8zoZ5w2Nw5FtMjhVVdQM6rXLK2MYEhOiiASRouGp7RshBaKSTihZdPwCYmlpZjkjo6oF5V3X8w.7MZUD1MW3rsepyWph338qvlW5bsa0g0TKEiWAR5k7-s&dib_tag=AUTHORFor Belonging Again (Part II.1), please see:amazon.com/Belonging-Again-Address-Part-II-1-ebook/dp/B0D1PN8VG4?ref_=ast_author_dp&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kYQZnxWIoQU-OijmTeXmbYgAjX6vkzHcgxjnKWYhdUKh87PyPQ2yk_nK1xqGj8ysGln46ftAIcFanY_7zh2e4AWiK17v1hLKDePtV_EYFuf2kk9S5x9Yy-ATV8imtCHgiNP3ptmb9n2THWicuBOdHw.c_ozZjmWRbXPgckLvRAqklSfQwh9X6SgCg1-CEJNDBY&dib_tag=AUTHORFor a YouTube Playlist on II.1:youtube.com/watch?v=uNBsn1l5t18&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmjNcqX_ylPVGfXbNt_BA-DGSee also "The Philosophy of Lack" series:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmisgg5e_TiiQF36n0YnZyKE
Reflections (Part 2) on a New Philosophy Portal Course (October 20th, 2024): Christian Atheism O.G. Rose 2024-10-17 | For the discussion which inspired these thoughts:youtube.com/watch?v=FMajhK-L2VM&t=609sThroughout the 20th century an intellectual hole opened in our discourse on the topic of religion. How are we to think the West’s Christian legacy? How are we to think the modernist turn to secular atheism? In moving to evolutionary ontology and historicist epistemology, science and philosophy alike tend towards a deconstructive approach to Christianity and traditional religion in general. However, in the real of social history, questions and tensions that used to have a religious solution, now fall into a confusing disorienting void. As opposed to trying to fill this void with an overly-simplistic new Christian ideology, this course will attempt to hold the moment leading to our intellectual break from religion from the perspective of the transcendental turn. This opens us to the strange challenge of thinking both the Christian legacy, and its atheist transgression, at the same time. This is the core of Christian Atheism. For more, please see Philosophy Portal and Sign Up here:https://philosophyportal.online/christian-atheism---------Cadell Last is a philosopher with an interdisciplinary background in fields of evolutionary anthropology, psychoanalysis, complexity science, and big history. He has spent much of his life searching for the truth of being through questions about the difference between humans and nature, and the consequences of human difference for nature. His PhD thesis, Global Brain Singularity, places biocultural evolution, mind-matter relation, and speculative futures in discussion, which produces insight that he then enhances through his expertise on thinkers like Hegel, Freud, Žižek, and Zupančič. For the work of Cadell Last, please visit:cadelllast.comhttps://www.philosophyportal.online/Cadell's YouTube page:youtube.com/@PhilosophyPortalAmazon:amazon.com/stores/Cadell-Last/author/B0BC8P437X?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
Reflections (Part I) on a New Philosophy Portal Course (October 20th, 2024): Christian Atheism O.G. Rose 2024-10-15 | For the discussion which inspired these thoughts:youtube.com/watch?v=FMajhK-L2VM&t=609sThroughout the 20th century an intellectual hole opened in our discourse on the topic of religion. How are we to think the West’s Christian legacy? How are we to think the modernist turn to secular atheism? In moving to evolutionary ontology and historicist epistemology, science and philosophy alike tend towards a deconstructive approach to Christianity and traditional religion in general. However, in the real of social history, questions and tensions that used to have a religious solution, now fall into a confusing disorienting void. As opposed to trying to fill this void with an overly-simplistic new Christian ideology, this course will attempt to hold the moment leading to our intellectual break from religion from the perspective of the transcendental turn. This opens us to the strange challenge of thinking both the Christian legacy, and its atheist transgression, at the same time. This is the core of Christian Atheism. For more, please see Philosophy Portal and Sign Up here:https://philosophyportal.online/christian-atheism---------Cadell Last is a philosopher with an interdisciplinary background in fields of evolutionary anthropology, psychoanalysis, complexity science, and big history. He has spent much of his life searching for the truth of being through questions about the difference between humans and nature, and the consequences of human difference for nature. His PhD thesis, Global Brain Singularity, places biocultural evolution, mind-matter relation, and speculative futures in discussion, which produces insight that he then enhances through his expertise on thinkers like Hegel, Freud, Žižek, and Zupančič. For the work of Cadell Last, please visit:cadelllast.comhttps://www.philosophyportal.online/Cadell's YouTube page:youtube.com/@PhilosophyPortalAmazon:amazon.com/stores/Cadell-Last/author/B0BC8P437X?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
The Net (120): Fail/Attribute, Boundless (Will (for)), Leap of/for (Faith) & Model/Shine Competition O.G. Rose 2024-10-14 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comPhilip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=cpN9sFC2rMQDimitri Crooijmans:actualspirit.substack.comOusi:youtube.com/watch?v=W-g8Pun44L8Steve Sission:telosrunning.com/aboutJavier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writing__________Photo by Alina GrubnyakFor the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #190: Cadell Last on a New Philosophy Portal Course (October 20th, 2024): Christian Atheism O.G. Rose 2024-10-11 | Throughout the 20th century an intellectual hole opened in our discourse on the topic of religion. How are we to think the West’s Christian legacy? How are we to think the modernist turn to secular atheism? In moving to evolutionary ontology and historicist epistemology, science and philosophy alike tend towards a deconstructive approach to Christianity and traditional religion in general. However, in the real of social history, questions and tensions that used to have a religious solution, now fall into a confusing disorienting void. As opposed to trying to fill this void with an overly-simplistic new Christian ideology, this course will attempt to hold the moment leading to our intellectual break from religion from the perspective of the transcendental turn. This opens us to the strange challenge of thinking both the Christian legacy, and its atheist transgression, at the same time. This is the core of Christian Atheism. For more, please see Philosophy Portal and Sign Up here:https://philosophyportal.online/christian-atheism---------Cadell Last is a philosopher with an interdisciplinary background in fields of evolutionary anthropology, psychoanalysis, complexity science, and big history. He has spent much of his life searching for the truth of being through questions about the difference between humans and nature, and the consequences of human difference for nature. His PhD thesis, Global Brain Singularity, places biocultural evolution, mind-matter relation, and speculative futures in discussion, which produces insight that he then enhances through his expertise on thinkers like Hegel, Freud, Žižek, and Zupančič. For the work of Cadell Last, please visit:cadelllast.comhttps://www.philosophyportal.online/Cadell's YouTube page:youtube.com/@PhilosophyPortalAmazon:amazon.com/stores/Cadell-Last/author/B0BC8P437X?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
5. Belonging Again II.1 (Book 1, Chapter II, Section 1) by O.G. Rose (Live Audio) O.G. Rose 2024-10-10 | Everything I know about neurodivergence is thanks to Lorenzo Barberis Canonico, and the piece “Neurodiversity Overcomes Rational Impasses and Stops Eugenics” (which I will incorporate here) found in Thoughts explores some of the ideas which I learned from Lorenzo (and I suggest to everyone his presentation “Christianity & Bioethics: How to Defeat Eugenics with Collective Intelligence”). Lorenzo discusses the famous “Prisoner’s Dilemma” and how rational individuals in that dilemma will produce irrational outcomes—the only way for a person to escape this “trap” is for someone to act nonrationally. Lorenzo makes a point not to say “irrationally,” for if the final outcome of a “nonrational” act is “the best outcome” for everyone involved (such as the case in the Prisoner’s Dilemma), it wouldn’t make sense to call it “irrational.” And yet it doesn’t fit to say “rational” either, for those involved had to act against their (apparent) self-interest in order to achieve “the best outcome.” What kind of people think nonrationally though? Not “neurotypical people,” for they would do what was rational and find themselves stuck (which suggests “normal” and “best” aren’t always aligned). States where rationality led to “suboptimal results” is what I have called “Rational Impasses,” which the famous “Nash Equilibrium” helps us identify. To offer a definition, a “Rational Impasse” is a situation in which rationality keeps itself from reaching its overall best outcome, and that means we cannot improve our situation by being more rational. Lorenzo’s address is neurodiversity, with a nod to Deleuze and primacy of “difference”... Find on Amazon today:amazon.com/Belonging-Again-Address-Part-II-1-ebook/dp/B0D1PN8VG4?ref_=ast_author_mpbFor the full list of II.1 entries, please see:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/list/belonging-again-part-ii1-by-og-rose-9787b7ecc50d
The Map Is Indestructible (Part 3) by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-10-09 | If reality is relational, we cannot escape maps, but the same also holds if reality is ultimately abyssal and/or “lacking,” which leads us to the work of Žižek. Now, a “relational reality” and “essentially lacking reality” are not necessarily exclusive positions, and it’s possible that we experience an “essential lack” precisely because we must always lack “the other” to which we relate: in other words, perhaps we are always “passing over” into an otherness (A/B) that we cannot access. In fact, if “things don’t exist” and yet we must experience things “as if “ reality consists of things (Understanding, A/A), that alone suggests an “essential lack,” for we lack the capacities to experience reality like it actually “is” (perhaps “Fundamentally Nonlocal,” as Kaufman discusses, or “Dialectically Material” like Žižek considers). Ultimately though, if models of Relational Metaphysics are wrong and hence it doesn’t follow that “maps are indestructible” for that reason, we might be able to establish another ontological reason for “indestructible maps” if Žižek is right and humans can’t handle a Real without maps. If that was so, reality would consists of “maps we cannot destroy without a psychotic break,” which would mean “maps are (practically) indestructible,” returning us to our dilemma.Substack:ogrose.substack.com/p/the-map-is-indestructible-part-iiiMedium: o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/the-map-is-indestructible-part-iii-3db0affca23cPhoto by Alex Azabache
The Net (119): Open Universals, the High/Low vs Middle, Nordic Secret & Social Test for Wrongness O.G. Rose 2024-10-07 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comJavier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writing__________Photo by Johnny Africa For the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #189: Andrew Luber on ARFID O.G. Rose 2024-10-04 | Andrew was born and raised outside of Philadelphia. He always had a love for cinema and a curiosity for understanding the thematic backbone behind the stories he watches and writes, which led to him earning his BA in Philosophy at Temple University. There he fell in love with the phenomenology and ontology of storytelling. Andrew currently works as a professional screenwriter based in Los Angeles and is spearheading a few publications about thematic structure and the "story-telling perspective" that is inspired by Martin Heidegger, David Wolfsdorf, Irad Kimhi, and others. ARFID stands for "avoidant/restrictive food intake disorder."For more by Andrew Luber, please see:tiktok.com/@arfid_andrewAlso:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Topics IX w/ Matthew Allison O.G. Rose 2024-10-03 | Matthew Allison is a Christian who writes, reads philosophy among other things, and works for the government. Following a buzz-in-his-ear, courtesy of Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett, he roved the hallways of the University library looking for nothing in particular and everything. After entering the Orthodox Church, he leaned into the Patristics and swelled his leisure hours (when not trying to cook) with Saint Maximos the Confessor, Saint John Chrysostom, and more. He is a writer trying to write his first novel. He has a channel, where some posts are:youtube.com/channel/UCon-YE6Xu33z3xihmF_WRrQSome of the topics Matthew and I discussed:-Worship as Letting Coordinate Senses-Temptation vs Facticity-To Conflate Equivalent with Equal-Glorifying vs Hiding Difference -In-different Causes Indifference-Gathering and Timing-The Archer Can Miss-Great Cities and Great Gardens -Creativity as The Mystery Architecture of Judgment Coordinating Situations of Similarity/Difference, to the Glory of Relation-No-Distinction as Con-Fusion, Value as Maintaining a Human Ecosystem-Pragmatic Perfection Misses Missing-Attention Brings With, While Determinism is a Counterfeit -Difference Is Hard But Empowers Care-Kairos and Knowledge are Matters of Fruit_______________Photo by Ricardo Gomez Angel
Belonging Again II.1: Chapter I of Book 1 (Presentation) O.G. Rose 2024-10-01 | Find on Amazon today:amazon.com/Belonging-Again-Address-Part-II-1-ebook/dp/B0D1PN8VG4?ref_=ast_author_mpb---------------------Memory is a funny thing, prone to change with use. Details fade, episodes arise which never happened, and gaps appear wholesale. We never remember everything (we’d go crazy if we did), but we like to think we remember what matters, and most of the time we do, or at least we maintain enough of “the general picture” to “get the gist.” For everyday life, this is fine, but something funny happens with books, especially great books. In complex texts like Plato, forgetting a single detail can transform the meaning and impression of entire sections, and if memory is shaped by “the spirit of our age,” details we tend to forget or remember will likely be relative to and reflect that zeitgeist. When it comes to Plato’s most famous allegory, I think something like this has happened…For a list on all posted sections so far:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/list/belonging-again-part-ii1-by-og-rose-9787b7ecc50dFor the full II.1 Playlist:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmjNcqX_ylPVGfXbNt_BA-DG
The Net (118): Our Enjoyment of Suffering Is Disordered When Not Communal O.G. Rose 2024-09-30 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comJason Bernstein:https://philosophyportal.online/science-of-logic-conferencePhillip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Javier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingTyler Murphy:tylermurphy.podbean.com__________Photo by Sean BeneshFor the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #188: Aspasia Karageorge on Authentic Resonance O.G. Rose 2024-09-27 | Aspasia Karageorge is a clinical psychologist in private practice in Sydney, Australia, a research consultant, and a writer of some kind. Her therapy approach is Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy (ISTDP), a type of experiential psychodynamic therapy developed by Dr. Habib Davanloo. Aspasia is curious about the creative process, process relational philosophy, modern Greek poetry, languages of the unconscious, and some intersection of wonder/beauty/mystery/connection. She consults on research projects broadly focused on clinical complexity, innovation, knowledge translation, and health workforce development. She also loves to contribute with the beautiful crew over at Voicecraft. You’ll currently find her drowning in secondhand books and post-it notes. YouTube channel here:youtube.com/@aspasiapsychologyInstagram: instagram.com/aspasia_psychologyWebsite for therapy & research things: aspasiapsychology.com Aspasia is also a contributor over at Voicecraft, a wonderful forum for dialogues such as these: youtube.com/watch?v=U_MNjGdPcUsJournal of Contemporary ISTDP, where she is Managing Editor:istdpjournal.com
16. Incentives to Problem-Solve by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-09-26 | Data doesn’t seem like it can be truly preventative, only reactionary or preparatory, for we cannot collect data about what hasn’t happened to stop from happening the thing that the data is about and quantifying. Furthermore, preventive measures are at an existential and empirical disadvantage to reactionary measures, for not only do preventive measures fail to create evidence that “they worked” as do reactionary measures, but preventative measures also fail to create existential certainty that “there is/was no problem.” If I keep something bad from ever happening (and hence from ever being “something bad”), I don’t ever experience that “something bad” ceasing to be (“something bad”), and so I never experience certainty that the “something bad” even existed and/or ceased existing. When there is prevention, there can be more existential uncertainty compared to when problems aren’t kept from coming into existence, only solved after they manifest. The problem-solver can thus have more existential certainty and “sense of accomplishment” than the problem-preventer, who must wrestle with more existential uncertainty and less of “a sense of accomplishment” and/or “sense of doing anything” (say in the case of the philosopher). Furthermore, in the eyes of the society, the problem-solver can receive more praise and respect because there is more “evidence” that the problem-solver has indeed “solved a problem,” while the problem-preventer doesn’t allow evidence to come into existence that “a problem was solved,” and so never presents the public “empirical evidence” that the problem-solver is valuable. Thus, problem-solving is easily praised over problem-preventing: the incentives favor the reactionaries. And so the world turns.For the Full Piece:ogrose.substack.com/p/incentives-to-problem-solveOn the List on Medium:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/list/the-map-is-indestructible-by-og-rose-242abdb3219cFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
The Map Is Indestructible (Part 2) by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-09-24 | 'The proof of arithmetic's consistency could not be relative [but] had to be an 'absolute proof,' ' but after Gödel such a proof was impossible. He succeeded at oddly 'proving that there are true arithmetical propositions that are not provable,' meaning "proof" and "true" are not similes, meaning "consistency" and "correspondence" aren't, and that obliterates any dream for a formal system. 'For a system to be consistent means that it does not yield any logical contradictions,' and if reality is contradictory (A/B) as Hegel teaches though, no "consistent system" can actually be about reality - except perhaps by removing humans from it (without humans perhaps realizing it) (as discussed in II.1; Land waits). This is what Korzybski understood, and this is why he might welcome Gödel's work as helping us move toward "a science of sanity" - though oddly through a theorem that seems to suggest madness is our destiny (irony can gift)...Substack:ogrose.substack.com/p/the-map-is-indestructible-part-iiMedium: o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/the-map-is-indestructible-part-ii-b409f3d54a8bPhoto by Ardalan Ameli
The Net (117): Agency Where Pleasure Seeks for the Map to Be the Territory and Useless O.G. Rose 2024-09-23 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Michael Deklerk:youtube.com/@beyondourselvespodAlex Ebert:badguru.substack.comThomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comPhillip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Javier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQDimitri:youtube.com/@Actual_SpiritMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingThomas Winn:youtube.com/watch?v=B1fuA0vGVwQ&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmin3lagafdgqT0xV9pcv3Zk&index=62&t=28sClayton:youtube.com/@LivedQualityPodcast/videos__________Photo by Julentto Photography For the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #187: Layman Pascal on Gurdjieff for a Time Between Worlds O.G. Rose 2024-09-20 | Layman Pascal used to be a Canadian meditation teacher, yoga instructor & philosopher of Integral Metatheory -- but he’s feeling much better now. In his rapidly dwindling spare time, he leads the Metamodern Spirituality Labs, hosts The Integral Stage and Soulmakers podcasts, and provides unique online courses for the Parallax Academy. He is a founding member of the Archdisciplinary Research Center, the Endemic Wisdom Council, the SPECTRA think tank for Metashamanics, Sky Meadow Institute, and the RSPND project. He is senior editor of Emerge online and he operates as co-chair of the Foundation for Integral Spirituality and Religion. His written articles can be found in various obscure journals and certain esoteric anthologies including Perspectiva’s Dispatches from a Time Between Worlds and Cadell Last’s Abyssal Arrows: Spiritual Leadership Inspired by Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and Logic for the Global Brain. He is the sole author of Gurdjieff for a Time Between Worlds and is currently working on a collection of short essays called Archaic Futurism as well as an upcoming book about Nietzsche. Layman is known for his philosophical work on the metaphysics of adjacency, analytic nonduality, coaxial developmental stage theories, neurological correlates of meditation, sacred naturalism, many-one theology, embodied spirituality & emerging formulations of the human religious instinct suited to a post-postmodern civilization facing numerous accelerating and converging crises. And he has started referring to all his work as the Serious Playground.See also, on Substack:laymanpascal.substack.comFor more, see "The Integral Stage":youtube.com/channel/UCaA4zkLRnR3lGm8Y7c5Tvdw--------------The radical 20th-century Armenian spiritual philosopher G. I. Gurdjieff is still largely unknown within leading-edge developmental, transformational, and regenerative communities. His profound teachings, unusual writing style, and sheer force of character are famously unique in the annals of human wisdom. Was this man a proto-metamodern prophet? Did he use transrational, mythopoetic, and sincerely ironic communication to help incept and prepare a planetary-scale shamanic resurgence of existential understanding for the post-pluralist Epoch of the Metacrisis? Yes and no. Obviously. In this collection of diverse and humorous micro-essays, the spiritual teacher, philosopher, and cultural activist Layman Pascal takes us on a wild intellectual rollercoaster ride with one of history’s most enduringly relevant and cryptic sages.Gurdjieff for a Time Between Worlds is a unique literary and philosophical object that simultaneously addresses three types of readers. Participants in today’s new thought and new culture networks will find herein a deep, entertaining, and unique introduction to Gurdjieff’s life, mission, teachings, and writing styles. Students and fans of Layman Pascal will discover a rich autobiographical document with crystallized versions of many of his particular suggestions for inner developmental practice. And people already steeped in the lore or the living tradition of Gurdjieff will encounter a fresh and very personal take on many of the quintessential modules of his wisdom-teaching.You can "Gurdjieff for a Time Between Worlds" on Amazon here:amazon.com/Gurdjieff-Time-Between-Worlds-Hyperpersonal/dp/B0D3SS8Z3V/ref=sr_1_1/?_encoding=UTF8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.LpjYk1QXFLyzP0Ec4rvkTyTtQTh8D5ifzqxAv8IVGMxGF2ayMso5ssE5ddwuzbHeUmvvsWyCN-SHZIdScb8SszFtcki4o4Wh80qE4XMs8beYC8Br4pYxJHSsKcZ6rodoVaKI33VwVlz5J8d6wrZnN_7NAbRirrOKAINsgi6L1K4RNHx8ycP48trKuBU6gK8EA6Yt6EXFhOY7Dfq2dMxaCpT549jXb1TWZ3I5KrDoRhA.h7tnEFtUDcV-pl-BdZAoqjpl1qTce-_kVdYWKh-Moco&dib_tag=se&qid=1717084648&refinements=p_27%3ALayman&s=books&sr=1-1&ref_=nav_ya_signin&returnFromLogin=1For more on Sky Meadow Press:skymeadowinstitute.org/press
15. Intention by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-09-18 | What is intention as opposed to motivation? When I intend to visit my friend, it could indeed be the case that I am also motivated to see my friend, but if all “intention” means is “motivation,” there doesn’t seem to be a need for both terms. Perhaps when people talk about “being intentional,” they mean something like “though you are motivated to do x, y, and z, you should be more motivated to do x.” The word “intention” could suggest a “focused motivation” (“motivation but with emphasis”), though I don’t deny that “intention” is often used as a simile for “motivation.”Adding to the confusion, the word “intentional” can also be used as a simile for “focus”: there seems to be both “intention as motivation” and “intention as focus,” and in a single conversation, people might switch between the multiple meanings of “intention” as if they are all the same. If I say, “Humans are intentional creatures,” I could mean “Humans are able to focus on a single leaf in a tree out of thousands.” Arguably, this capacity to be intentional is a defining characteristic of human beings and consciousness itself, and though I don’t deny the more philosophical meaning of the term “intentional” (say regarding phenomenological “intentionality”), I don’t think this is what is ordinarily meant when “intention” is used; rather, the term seems to often mean “a motivated focus,” “a valuing of x over y and z,” etc.The hope of this work is to help isolate a clearer meaning of the word “intention,” because I fear a lack of clarity regarding the term might contribute to a failure to recognize how we can use “intention” to conceal us from ourselves and to control others. This work will be structured similar to papers like “On Love” by O.G. Rose, which will explore possible meanings of a term until we can better isolate a definition. Where such is achieved, clearer thought can follow.For the full paper:medium.com/p/9ab61b1882ffSubstack:ogrose.substack.com/p/intentionFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
The Map Is Indestructible (Part I) by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-09-17 | As Kurt Gödel found mathematics and seemingly any self-referential system cannot make itself axiomatic or formal, so the same goes with all of thought. With Gödel, we can consider Alfred Korzybski, the brilliant challenger of Aristotelian thinker, who we might also associate with Hegel of the Science of Logic. Korzybski’s Science and Sanity attempts to help us recognize ‘mathematics as a language similar in structure to the world in which we live.’ Perhaps Korzybski succeeds in this, but if so, that would perhaps help the case of making Gödel’s work part of the world itself. And what would this mean? That we are always dealing with maps that are indestructible precisely because finding a point of incompleteness will not necessarily mean they are wrong: though the realization brings anxiety, “incompleteness” can benefit maps. If incompleteness is essentially part of every map, then finding maps incomplete will not necessarily overturn them. Far from necessarily relativizing them out of existence or into nihilism (though that can happen for some), the vulnerability can make the maps more invincible...Substack:ogrose.substack.com/p/the-map-is-indestructible-part-iMedium: o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/the-map-is-indestructible-part-i-48c3d9d266ddPhoto by Jonathan Körner
The Net (116): Adolescence When Desire Is Complexified by a Constraint Beyond Its Object O.G. Rose 2024-09-16 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Michael Deklerk:youtube.com/@beyondourselvespodOusi:youtube.com/watch?v=W-g8Pun44L8Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comPhillip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Javier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQDimitri:youtube.com/@Actual_SpiritThomas Winn:youtube.com/watch?v=B1fuA0vGVwQ&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmin3lagafdgqT0xV9pcv3Zk&index=62&t=28s__________Photo by Anthony Fomin For the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #186: Jurij Jukic on Hermeneutic Overlap, Liminal Networks, Training Discernment & Colleges O.G. Rose 2024-09-13 | Jurij Jukic is a software engineer with a focus on the edge of technology and philosophy. He dropped out of maths college and tried building a startup on Urbit. He is currently working as a developer at Uncentered Systems, building p2p apps leveraging Kinode and Ethereum. In his free time he posts bad takes on Twitter: @JurijJukicFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
Topics VIII w/ Jurij Jukic O.G. Rose 2024-09-12 | Jurij Jukic is a software engineer with a focus on the edge of technology and philosophy. He dropped out of maths college and tried building a startup on Urbit. He is currently working as a developer at Uncentered Systems, building p2p apps leveraging Kinode and Ethereum. In his free time he posts bad takes on Twitter: @JurijJukicFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.comPhoto by Jeremy Bishop
Belonging Again II.1: Introduction (Presentation) O.G. Rose 2024-09-11 | Find on Amazon today:amazon.com/Belonging-Again-Address-Part-II-1-ebook/dp/B0D1PN8VG4?ref_=ast_author_mpb---------------------Part I made the case that we are still waiting but the stakes are rising, that we need to address the task with which Nietzsche left us. As encouraged by Philip Rieff, we underwent an explanation of “the psychohistorical process” in Part I to be positioned for an address of “a psycho-political-economy” in Part II, and here we will argue that there is always a human and contingent element, meaning the development of the subject is central. Part I left us with considerations of Absolute Knowers, Children, and Deleuzian Dividuals, and the book also suggested that (if we mean something traditional by the phrase) “belonging again” is not possible or desirable without risking grave regression or consequence. In Part II, we seek to “address” this loss of possibility, and by “belonging again,” we might consider something more like “belonging (again),” which is a Hegelian negation/sublation, suggesting that ours is an age in which we might “belong” for the first time finally (to channel Little Gidding by T. S. Eliot). Nietzsche never wanted followers, Cadell stresses, but rather Children. Might that be us? Must it be? If so, we must learn to “leave Plato’s Cave on our own”—a founding story must be reconsidered, a genesis of a genesis...For a list on all posted sections so far:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/list/belonging-again-part-ii1-by-og-rose-9787b7ecc50dFor Philosophy Portal presentations and classes:https://philosophyportal.online/For the focused on Parallax course:parallax-media.com/past-courses/og-rose-look-at-the-birds-of-the-air
The Net (115): Giving Up, (De)centralization, and the Ethical Real O.G. Rose 2024-09-10 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Michael Deklerk:youtube.com/@beyondourselvespodThomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comBrandon Van Dyck:youtube.com/@brandonvandyck/videosPhillip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Javier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writing__________Resources:"Javier Rivera: On Giving Up":youtube.com/watch?v=cSou3VgswFw&t=4s__________Photo by NASAFor the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #185: The Riddle of Amish Culture O.G. Rose 2024-09-06 | Since its publication in 1989, "The Riddle of Amish Culture" by Donald Kraybill has become recognized as a classic work on one of America's most distinctive religious communities. But many changes have occurred within Amish society over the past decade, from westward migrations and a greater familiarity with technology to the dramatic shift away from farming into small business which is transforming Amish culture. For this revised edition, Donald B. Kraybill has taken these recent changes into account, incorporating new demographic research and new interviews he has conducted among the Amish. In addition, he includes a new chapter describing Amish recreation and social gatherings, and he applies the concept of "social capital" to his sensitive and penetrating interpretation of how the Amish have preserved their social networks and the solidarity of their community.For more on Amazon:amazon.com/Riddle-Culture-Center-Anabaptist-Studies/dp/080186772XFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
Sources of P2P Theory (Ep #4) w/ Michel Bauwens: Agency and Change in History O.G. Rose 2024-09-04 | For an article by Michel Bauwens about some of the themes of this discussion, please see: "Who Can Change the World Today?":4thgenerationcivilization.substack.com/p/who-can-change-the-world-today-------How do we arrive at hypotheses, interpretations and conclusions in the P2P Foundation, and in particular how did we arrive at our theoretical framing? We will focus on the practical and concrete research and experiences elsewhere, but here we focus on the sources of our theoretical insights, by going through the key books of the most significant authors who influenced us. As a collective, there will be many more sources than listed here, but these reflects the initial and ongoing work by Michel Bauwens, as co-producing the theoretical insights in collaboration with colleagues. For more:wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Sources_of_P2P_Theory-------As of 2007, Michel Bauwens is the founder of the Foundation for Peer-to-Peer Alternatives and works in collaboration with a global group of researchers in the exploration of peer production, governance, and property. He also co-founded the the Commons Strategies Group ( http://p2pfoundation.net/Berlin_Commons_Conference ). He is listed at #82, on the Post-Carbon Institute (En)Rich list, http://enrichlist.org/the-list) for his contributions to positive social change.Michel has taught on technology and related topics at St. Louis, Brussels, Payap University, Chiang Mai, and Dhurakit Pandit University, Bangkok; he has been Primavera Research Fellow at the University of Amsterdam; and external expert at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences (2008, 2012) (http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en.html). Michel Bauwens has advised the Board of the Union of International Associations (Brussels), Shareable magazine (San Francisco), the Zumbara Time Bank (Istanbul) and ShareLex (France); the "Association Les Rencontres du Mont-Blanc, Forum International des Dirigeants de l’Economie Sociale et Solidaire" (2013-). He was nominated as the Chair of the Technology/ICT working group, Hangwa Forum (Beijing, Sichuan), in charge of distributed manufacturing. He has been editor in chief of the magazine Wave, has written editorials for Al Jazeera English, articles for Shareable, along with peer-reviewed articles for scientific journals. He has co-produced the 3-hour TV documentary Technocalyps, with Frank Theys. Michel has written several books in Dutch, French, and English, such as Peer to Peer, the Commons Manifesto.In the 1990s, after a first nine year stint as analyst for USIA, Michel worked as strategic knowledge manager for British Petroleum, editor in chief for riverland Publications, eBusiness Strategy director for Belgacom, and he created two internet start-ups, eCom (intranet/extranet) and KyberCo (interactive marketing) which were sold to Alcatel and Virtuaholdings respectively."For more:wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Michel_Bauwens-------The P2P Foundation is an international organization focused on studying, researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices in a very broad sense. Their motto is "Together we know everything, together we have everything", i.e. pooling our resources through commons, creates prosperity for all. They document thousands of initiatives going in that direction on order to create "Hope with evidence."
Stretched by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-09-03 | The trees of the Santa Monica Mountainswere charred annually, suggesting summers, frustrated,were dragged on invisible wiresinto bright places with bright faces,an hour from Hollywood....For the full poem:ogrose.substack.com/p/stretchedMedium:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/stretched-30b139a45a0eFor more by O.G. Rose, please visit:og-rose.comPhoto by Tom Briskey
The Net (114): Rainbows, Monads, Set Theory, and How Relations Come First and Saturate Into Relata O.G. Rose 2024-09-03 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Phillip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Tyler Murphy:tylermurphy.podbean.comJavier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQThomas Winn:youtube.com/watch?v=B1fuA0vGVwQ&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmin3lagafdgqT0xV9pcv3Zk&index=62&t=28sMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingThomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comJohn Trossi:soundcloud.com/jtrossimusicAlex Ebert:badguru.substack.comJacob Kishere:youtube.com/@sensespacepodcastsensespacestudio.substack.com/p/sensespace-studio__________Resources:Stuart Kauffman on a New Approach to Cosmology:jimruttshow.blubrry.net/stuart-kauffman-3__________Photo by YouSsef NaDram For the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #184: Clayton Nyakana on Child Surprise-Priests, Sensing Form-Gutters, and Alfred Korzybski O.G. Rose 2024-08-30 | Clayton is an autodidactic student of philosophy, psychology and creative writing. He loves to experiment his learnings on himself to test their practicality. He is a skilled husband, father and technologist, who takes a philosophical approach to participation. He publishes his writing on: http://livedquality.com
14. Certainty Deterrence and Ideology Preservation by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-08-29 | A prime way humans preserve ideology is with “certainty,” and yet we learn in “On Certainty” by O.G. Rose that certainty is mostly impossible, so what’s going on? Well, it might be that “certainty” isn’t so much a term that describes the likelihood that an idea is right, but instead the term might have more to do with how much we need an idea to be right to hold our world together: what we are certain in might have less to do with “what we are confident in” as it does with “that which is too central to be false.” Certainty might reflect an emotional nervousness more than it reflects a product of well-earned investigation, and so central is the idea that we are certain about that we might want the idea “to vanish,” per se, which is to say we want to remove it from focus, for what we focus on is that which we might think about, while what we rarely focus on can avoid being considered (“practically invisible”)...For the full list:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/list/the-map-is-indestructible-by-og-rose-242abdb3219cSubstack:ogrose.substack.com/p/certainty-deterrence-and-ideologyFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
Factviews, Net-Works, Situation Creation, and Map-Mazes by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-08-28 | Facts are “facts” within a network of assumptions about what constitutes the truth. However, they can be appealed to in order to legitimize this network and/or framework, as if transcendent and “above” the framework within which they are situated and “factualized,” per se. Ironically though, without the framework, the facts wouldn’t even be facts: to transcend the framework would be to transcend the factual. In this way, to deal with facts is to deal with facts/worldviews, ergo what we might call “factviews.”If I claim it is “a fact that balls fall when dropped,” I am operating within a framework in which “balls are balls” (versus collections of atoms), gravity (always) works, balls are that-which-fall-when-dropped (and so something that can float isn’t a ball), and so on. In other words, the fact “that balls fall when dropped” is a fact within a structure of (right or wrong) assumptions and notions about the world. To say “facts are facts within frameworks” isn’t to say “all facts aren’t true” (for there are true frameworks), but that facts can only be facts within frameworks (within contexts). It isn’t false to say, “A ball falls when dropped” — for within the framework and “type of reality” in which such is such, it is indeed the case. The point is that this fact is situated upon the presence of the framework; the fact isn’t non-contingent. A fact isn’t its own context; it doesn’t “stand on its own,” per se.Facts are not “stand alones,” as if they, regardless the framework, “facts stand as facts.” Facts are inseparable from frameworks and/or worldviews, as frameworks and worldviews cannot exist without creating facts. If we believe in God, it can become “a fact” that worship is a good use of time; if we don’t believe in God, it can become “a fact” that worship is a waste of time. We cannot believe in God without creating “a fact” about the usefulness of worship, as we cannot disbelieve in God without doing the same. Facts “point toward” worldviews, as worldviews “point toward” facts (again, there are not “facts and worldviews,” only “facts/worldviews,” per se). Is this relativism? Is this saying there is no truth? Not at all: we are saying that one fact cannot be a fact without something else being a fact, which requires something else to be a fact — all facts are “networks of facts.” We are always dealing with “situations” and “consistency,” never just “points” and “isolated correspondence.” Even when true, facts never stand alone (which means there are always entire situations we could explore and get lost in…a Pynchon Risk always seems present…).What does this mean? This suggests that to think is to “situate”: we are never dealing with “free floating” points. We discuss Leibniz often in O.G. Rose, ever-indebted to Anthony Morley, and we might say here that we are arguing all thinking is Geometric not simply Algebraic, and yet perhaps there is incentive for a subject to act as if “facts are just facts” in order to deny the presence of a situation that the subject may or may not (subconsciously, indirectly…) organize and design to the subject’s benefit — or detriment. In line with the thought presented in “Self-Delusion, the Toward-ness of Evidence, and the Paradox of Judgment” by O.G. Rose, humans must be aware of how they are “situation creators” in being “fact creators/finders”; if not, they might find themselves perpetually stuck in “false situations” that erroneously orientate what constitutes “true and false.” In “false situations” or “false networks,” what is true is still false, and what is false is also still false, but because what is true, within the situation, can “appear” true, it can strike the consciousness as “objectively true,” when in fact the whole structure in which the truth is situated might be false...Substack:(Posted Soon)Medium: (Posted Soon)Photo by Josh Seff
The Net (113): Korzybskis Sanity, Kauffmans Fundamental Nonlocality, Free Will & Percys Delta O.G. Rose 2024-08-26 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Sam Willman:marbl.substack.comClayton Nyakana:livedquality.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profilePhillip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Jason Bernstein:https://philosophyportal.online/writing-for-a-first-causeTyler Murphy:tylermurphy.podbean.comJavier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQThomas Winn:youtube.com/watch?v=B1fuA0vGVwQ&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmin3lagafdgqT0xV9pcv3Zk&index=62&t=28sMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writing__________Resources:Stuart Kauffman on a New Approach to Cosmology:jimruttshow.blubrry.net/stuart-kauffman-3Tor Nørretranders on the User Illusion of Consciousness:jimruttshow.blubrry.net/tor-norretranders"Only Free Will is Thoughtful" by Dimitri:dimitricrooijmans.substack.com/p/only-free-will-is-thoughtful__________Photo by Richard HorvathFor the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #183: Alex Ebert on the Overton Window, Goals and Goalposts of Democracy, and Meta-Politics O.G. Rose 2024-08-23 | For the Voicecraft conversation which inspired this discussion, check out, "The Overton Window | Alex Ebert in Dialogue with Tim Adalin":youtube.com/watch?v=kuAG5APmSOo&t=4968s____________________________________Alex Ebert is an incidental musician and philosopher (among too many other things, incidentally). His interest in Hegelian philosophy began (unbeknownst to him) more than a decade ago, with his development of a peculiar mathematical function (magnetic zeros). Said function is now the centerpiece of his Hegelian philosophy of sublation (freQ theory), and, for better or worse, serves as his platinum-selling band’s name. Check out his Substack, Bad Guru, here:badguru.substack.comFor his essay on Hegel and the Science of Logic, please see:amazon.com/Enter-Alien-Thinking-Century-Hegel-ebook/dp/B0BC6HCP6S?ref_=ast_author_dp&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.escegTE-0HcphkjgQzslv-7_Uj-ada-QsRJz4X0zh6FOzHXSg7uBcL8zoZ5w2Nw5FtMjhVVdQM6rXLK2MYEhOiiASRouGp7RshBaKSTihZdPwCYmlpZjkjo6oF5V3X8w.7MZUD1MW3rsepyWph338qvlW5bsa0g0TKEiWAR5k7-s&dib_tag=AUTHORFor Belonging Again (Part II.1), please see:amazon.com/Belonging-Again-Address-Part-II-1-ebook/dp/B0D1PN8VG4?ref_=ast_author_dp&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kYQZnxWIoQU-OijmTeXmbYgAjX6vkzHcgxjnKWYhdUKh87PyPQ2yk_nK1xqGj8ysGln46ftAIcFanY_7zh2e4AWiK17v1hLKDePtV_EYFuf2kk9S5x9Yy-ATV8imtCHgiNP3ptmb9n2THWicuBOdHw.c_ozZjmWRbXPgckLvRAqklSfQwh9X6SgCg1-CEJNDBY&dib_tag=AUTHORFor a YouTube Playlist on II.1:youtube.com/watch?v=uNBsn1l5t18&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmjNcqX_ylPVGfXbNt_BA-DGSee also "The Philosophy of Lack" series:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmisgg5e_TiiQF36n0YnZyKE
13. The Heart/Mind Dialectic and the Phenomenology of View(s) by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-08-21 | Worldviews orientate emotions as emotions orientate worldviews. There is a dialectic between how we feel about the world and how we see it: what we feel about x impacts how we think about x, and vice-versa. Our heart and mind aren’t separated (though culture often depicts them dualistically); rather, they are constantly engaged in a conversation, shaping and forming each other. We aren’t creatures with a “heart and mind” so much as we have a “heart/mind,” per se (as we are more so creatures of “feelings/beliefs” than “feelings and beliefs”). Yes, the two are distinct, but they are also so constantly engaging with one another that it’s difficult to divide them (such as when “thought” and “perception” combine over a given entity like two rivers running together, as discussed in “On Thinking and Perceiving” by O.G. Rose). While a person does a math problem, it is easy to identify the mind as distinct from the heart, for the mind takes a primary role, as it is easy to identify the heart as distinct during romance. But even in these situations, the heart and mind are conversing (perhaps more so in some situations than in others), for I might do math because I love it, as I might date a certain person because I think she is special. Still, though there are certain situations where either the heart or mind is “in the driver’s seat,” that doesn’t mean the other isn’t present or informing the situation at all. (Personally, I doubt there is such thing as a situation where the two are totally apart...) For the full paper:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/the-heart-mind-dialectic-and-the-phenomenology-of-view-s-1b7106367eb0Substack:ogrose.substack.com/p/the-heartmind-dialectic-and-the-phenomenologyFor more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
Logic for the Global Brain (Philosophy Portal Anthology, Inspired by Hegels Science of Logic) O.G. Rose 2024-08-21 | Logic for the Global Brain: Singular Universality as Perfect Opposition:amazon.com/dp/B0DCSVJHG3?ref_=ast_author_dp&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wyTy_DALPeEF5LH7oLtvCCoqIRq-Agb1dSXW_mlQVwixNQRQX2b9H5sB8-TzXuD6WDLnUy1EhK2pha88q-Xz2nujV0Q6s5KVoBG2NRpoYR4.8WDm8_AXy7f76tWM3IuFzjaf8PdMmzanUgl6qAznbBM&dib_tag=AUTHORContemporary philosophy struggles with thinking differentiation as a tense opposition in universality, on the one hand, and singularity, on the other hand. Universality can lead to an abstract general notion of being with no relevance to the differentiation of Singularity, and Singularity can lead to a concrete idiosyncratic concept with no relevance to the differentiation of Universality. Hegel's Science of Logic offers us a way of thinking the differentiation of Universality and Singularity as a perfect opposition. Throughout this anthology, you will find a collection of authors (Singularities) who have wrestled with the Science of Logic, and have committed to thinking the relevance of this logic for contemporary theory and praxis (Universality). This theory and praxis is indispensable for the future of underground philosophers and philosophical communities, as well as artistic and religious projects, that may birth a culture for a truly global world, a world that must reconcile with both Universality and Singularity.For more from Philosophy Portal, please see:https://philosophyportal.online/logic-for-the-global-brainAlso see YouTube:youtube.com/@PhilosophyPortal/videos
The Net (112): Pouring or Letting Chronicle, Plot, Narrative, or Story O.G. Rose 2024-08-19 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Jurij Jukic:instagram.com/jurij.jukicThomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comJavier Rivera:youtube.com/channel/UCQBytMeNh47LGa_Gh1hKagAAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQThomas Winn:youtube.com/watch?v=B1fuA0vGVwQ&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmin3lagafdgqT0xV9pcv3Zk&index=62&t=28sMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingDimitri Crooijmans:youtube.com/@Actual_SpiritAlex Ebert:badguru.substack.com__________Photo by NongFor the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #182: Response and Responsibility O.G. Rose 2024-08-16 | What does it mean to be "responsible" in an age in which we can always "respond" to what is happening around us? Is the new standard of "responsibility" the "ability to respond" and skill at responding? What might Paul Virilio have to say? ---------------------For more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
12. The Phenomenology of (True) Ignorance by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-08-15 | What’s it like not to know what we’re talking about? Unfortunately, it’s often like knowing what we’re talking about. Ignorance feels like knowledge, and we, informed about this but uninformed about that, usually participate in “civil debate” unaware that destroying democracy and contributing to it feel the same. In each of us, ignorance is certain.What does it feel like to operate in the world while not fully knowing the world in which we operate? Problematically, it feels like operating in a world that we fully understand. If we truly don’t understand something, we don’t even understand that we don’t understand it. If we understand that we’re ill-informed, we’re on the road to understanding. But if we’re not on that road, we don’t even know we’re standing off to the side. Medium:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/the-phenomenology-of-true-ignorance-610695e2daebSubstack:ogrose.substack.com/p/the-phenomenology-of-true-ignorance-610695e2daeb?utm_source=publication-searchFor more by O.G. Rose, please visit:og-rose.com
Error as Grace, Capable and Virtuous Letting-Be, Beauty, and Efficiency for Surprise by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-08-14 | For "The Net (111)" which inspired this piece, please see:youtube.com/watch?v=wymxVlhvV8I&list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j&index=2&t=4300s--------...There is an intricate and unique relationship between virtue, surprise, encounter, capacity, showing, and beauty. There is a strange tension where it seems impossible to seek a good for its own sake, but if you seek a capacity that you never know when you will use it or how, then you must be willing to develop a good that you never know for sure you will use—thus you have to be willing to do it for its own sake. Also, how can you be sure that a person is being virtuous for the right reasons and not to get ahead of others? By making the test the surprise: how does the person act when he or she doesn’t know what is going to happen? Is the person “self-forgetful” (a theme in O.G. Rose) because the individual has a capacity to handle the surprise? Also, what is the difference between “pretty” and “beauty?” Well, there is something about beauty that is a strike and able to “rise to an occasion” that is not predicted or expected ahead of time, which is to say it does not fit within preset complexes. Indeed, to be able to rise to a surprise and thrive is memorable and beautiful, and yet it is such precisely because it was not planned, which means beauty requires of us to be prepared for surprise and the encounter. How is that possible? By sacrifice and by gaining capacity we never know if we will use—capacity we must be willing to get “for its own sake.” And if beauty and virtue are connected, then this act of beauty is a testament to beauty....Substack:ogrose.substack.com/p/error-as-grace-capable-and-virtuousMedium: o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/error-as-grace-capable-and-virtuous-letting-be-beauty-and-efficiency-for-surprise-d9029f8a6c1ePhoto by Birmingham Museums Trust
Episode #181: A Parallax Post-Course Discussion (July-August 2024) O.G. Rose 2024-08-09 | For Parallax Course Information:parallax-media.com/courses/belonging-again-an-address-with-og-rose-6x45n?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR05K_TyEDamli8HzMmO_RvPNL7A3lYS5rtE_26Wat-rtKvtyF-NRjagLw8_aem_BBRkltscQxxxUTGsdrVERATo join the Network Page:parallax-media-network.mn.co/spaces/14547160?autojoin=1Our identities, religions, nationalities, occupations, life choices, philosophies, political ideologies, political leaders—none of these are “given” anymore: whatever we face, we find ourselves full of questions. “Is this true? Is this best? Is this valid?” We live during what James Joyce in “The Dead” called ‘a thought-tormented age,’ which, as James K.A. Smith put it when writing on Charles Taylor, is to say that our world is a ‘contested, cross-pressured, haunted world [...] [T]raditional definitions of reality which previously provided stable [guides] for living everyday life (in courtship, marriage, child-rearing, religious faith and practice, interpersonal exchange and the like) are increasingly fluid, fragmented, and deprived of plausibility.’ Might this prove to be an opportunity though? Indeed, it might. Belonging Again describes our sociological moment where nothing is “given” and yet we find ourselves forced to confront the inescapable reality that freedom isn’t always free. We’re able to be whoever we want to be, but this was made possible by emptying our possibilities of significance. Everything is just like everything else, and so we find ourselves like that donkey between two equal-sized piles of grain of grain: starving, unable to choose, and tempted to flee. If we’re not going to seclude ourselves or engage in some exodus though, we must find a way to achieve “rest” and “belonging” around others who are very different from us and in a world that is ever-changing. And none of this is “natural,” suggesting we will have to become “super-natural” or something—somehow. Furthermore, we will have to “scale” the conditions which make this possible, and how can that be done without slipping into oppression and totalitarianism? The challenge is great. Part I of Belonging Again attempted to explain our circumstance through thinkers like Peter Berger, Philip Rieff, and James Hunter. Part II will work to address our circumstance, arguing what it would mean to think economics, politics, sociology, and the like in light of the arguments of Belonging Again. In this, our aim is to show that in “The Meaning Crisis” there can be reason to hope. ---------------------For more by O.G. Rose:og-rose.com
11. On Description by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-08-08 | Whether through painting, writing, speaking, etc., description is always an act of thinking of perception or itself, and hence description is inseparable from the first-person: psychology, philosophy, phenomenology, self-deception, and all the other workings of the human mind (that humans themselves often hardly understand). Description always reflects thinking to some degree, even though countless artists might try to avoid incorporating human phenomenology into their work. Failing to grasp that description reflects thinking (that it is never “pure perception,” to allude to “On Thinking and Perceiving” by O.G. Rose), we prove less likely to avoid describing reality in a manner that doesn’t unintentionally contribute to Pluralistic tribalism, atomization, and the world being broken into ideological bubbles that lose contact with the earth. Basically, subjectivity is unavoidable, and the less we embrace this reality, the more likely we are to miss reality in our efforts to describe it...For the full paper:medium.com/@o-g-rose-writing/on-description-e834a54a301cSubstack:ogrose.substack.com/p/on-descriptionFor more by O.G. Rose:www.ogrose.com
On Re-thinking Economics & The Meaning of Value (Full Reading) O.G. Rose 2024-08-05 | For the conversation at Voicecraft which inspired this piece, please see "Re-thinking Economics & The Meaning of Value"youtube.com/watch?v=CQzCTLjvEGA&t=1596sFor Matt Segall's Channel (Footnotes2Plato):youtube.com/@Footnotes2Plato--------Bringing to mind Peter Pogany, Matt Segall reviews the work of Alf Hornberg and reminds us that ‘machines do not magically create ‘growth,’ ‘progress,’ and ‘development’ at the industrial centers out of nothing’: they require environments, people, and other things that exceed what machines provide. Segall warns us to consider the environmental impacts of our machines, and in a similar way we might consider the impacts of our “market rationality” beyond markets. If it is true that all rationality requires something “nonrational” to organize itself, then markets as oscillating processes of Demand and Supply also require something “beyond markets” for the possibility of “market rationality,” and here we have described that as Creativity. ‘Efficient mentality, first exemplified by the thought of Aristotle,’ Segall notes,’ was a momentous achievement of the human spirit,’ but now that “efficient spirit” manifest in the market is trying to deny its own possibility and be its own “grounding,” denying its “grounding problem” and risking autocannibalism, suggesting a need to consider and embrace Creativity. But how do we incubate Creativity? That seems impossible, admittedly, and so it’s arguably reasonable for economics to only concern itself with Demand and Supply. But if that is so and Capitalism tends toward Stagnation and the problems described by Studebaker, Cowen, Keynes, and others, then economics might not be readily positioned to address its own unraveling. Then again, perhaps today economics at least “pointing to” its own “grounding problem” is enough for us to think what needs to be thought? Indeed, perhaps so...Substack:ogrose.substack.com/p/on-re-thinking-economics-and-theMedium:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/on-re-thinking-economics-the-meaning-of-value-c1bbaaf24a4ePhoto by Sharon Pittaway
The Net (110): Children and The(ir) Future O.G. Rose 2024-08-04 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Michael Deklerk:youtube.com/@beyondourselvespodAlex Ebert:badguru.substack.comPhilip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingChetan Anand:facebook.com/chetanscore__________Photo by Markus SpiskeFor the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #180: Matthew Allison on How Examples Are Possible, Substance & the Celebration Imperative O.G. Rose 2024-08-02 | Matthew Allison is a Christian who writes, reads philosophy among other things, and works for the government. Following a buzz-in-his-ear, courtesy of Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett, he roved the hallways of the University library looking for nothing in particular and everything. After entering the Orthodox Church, he leaned into the Patristics and swelled his leisure hours (when not trying to cook) with Saint Maximos the Confessor, Saint John Chrysostom, and more. He is a writer trying to write his first novel. He has a channel, where some posts are:youtube.com/channel/UCon-YE6Xu33z3xihmF_WRrQ
10. Defining Evidence by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-07-31 | Evidence is relative to definition. If I define America’s current system as “Capitalist,” then the 2008 Financial Crisis is easily evidence that Capitalism doesn’t work; however, if I define the current system as a “mixed market,” then the 2008 crisis isn’t evidence against the free market, but against mixed markets and State intervention. If we define the socioeconomic system of the Soviet Union as “Stalinism” or “Leninism,” then we wouldn’t think of the failure of the Soviet Union as evidence against Communism; rather, we would easily think that Communism hasn’t yet been tried. Hence, if I don’t define the Soviet Union as “Communist,” then the collapse of the Soviet Union isn’t evidence against Communism; likewise, if I don’t define America as “Capitalistic” (but rather as a “Banktocracy” or something), then the 2008 Financial Crisis can actually be used as evidence for the need to try “true” Capitalism. Thus, with definition, everything shifts, which is to say we may all have the power to shift everything... For "The Map Is Indestructible" list:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/list/the-map-is-indestructible-242abdb3219c
The Water Falls by O.G. Rose O.G. Rose 2024-07-31 | At eight, my memory was seared by ice cubes. Plastic bags balanced upon raw ligaments, and yellow water filled an intrusive tube. The bald doctor promised that healing only cost a motionless month, while my Angels jersey soaked in my smell, a token of Dad’s hopes. Itches nibbled like vultures, inch by inchby hour. April was cloudless—Fool’s Day, Easter—dry—beauty aboundedas I struggled with air,its touch and reminder of farm breezes. I didn’t ask the nurses to twist the tilt wand, those everyone-receivers who oversaw chemotherapy and daily dialysis. All I needed was stillness....For the full poem:ogrose.substack.com/p/the-water-fallsMedium:o-g-rose-writing.medium.com/the-water-falls-e5dba6f78fa0For more by O.G. Rose, please visit:og-rose.comPhoto by Marcelo Cidrack
The Net (109): The Happy Accident, Error, Wrongness, Lack, and the Preventure O.G. Rose 2024-07-29 | “The Net” is a Thursday discussion with creators and thinkers online. “Let’s see what we catch” is to suggest both the improvisational nature of these discussions and the fact that we never know who is going to show up, adding to the excitement. “In the spirit of eunoia,” the second subtitle, is meant to honor an organization O.G. Rose was part of between 2008 and 2014 in Charlottesville Virginia, though “The Net” has no official affiliation with that organization now. “Eunoia” can be loosely translated as “beautiful thinking,” a phrase we have always loved, for it recalls the three infinites—the good, the true, and the beautiful. We included the second subtitle to honor that creative community which was so formative and meaningful to us.__________Attendants:Andrew Sweeny:youtube.com/@parallax_media/videosPhilip Shinn:youtube.com/watch?v=ygvgbbufGL0Thomas Jockin:thomasjockin.comAndrew Luber:youtube.com/watch?v=HE_Zw7_C9QQMichelle Garner:podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/og_rose_writingAlex Ebert:badguru.substack.com__________Photo by Nate Rayfield For the complete playlist of "The Net" discussions, please see:youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lnxUzWjRmhsU-In3UjLE5luiNbnS_5j
Episode #179: Jacob Kishere of SENSESPACE on Scale, Spread, Capacity, and Facilitation O.G. Rose 2024-07-26 | Jacob Kishere is a philosopher, experimental artist and muse for Dialogos. He creates under his alias Culturepilgrim and captains SENSESPACE podcast an exciting emergent dialogue project now in its 4th year.SENSESPACE Podcast,"The Whole Future is Now’ :youtube.com/@sensespacepodcastCulturepilgrim Substack,A home for essays, reflections, poetry & dialogue:culturepilgrim.substack.com-------For a copy of Belonging Again II.1, which discusses scale:amazon.com/Belonging-Again-Address-Part-II-1-ebook/dp/B0D1PN8VG4?ref_=ast_author_dp&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.9BMEn8XV_j3EkCYxypFCjT4YCigbkzmR7e-YIVfhTjMvJbcw2nMmFIcOo6bbpW4umGVDWm2j3ftDaWN807biLOV7JzdWR2KUmauJWtHl1if2kk9S5x9Yy-ATV8imtCHgiNP3ptmb9n2THWicuBOdHw.FeRwBp69Ue1qXxFyiU0v0m4izKK4SjATxi-9Vj0Xgmw&dib_tag=AUTHOR
Sources of P2P Theory (Ep #3) w/ Michel Bauwens: On Macrohistorical Theories O.G. Rose 2024-07-25 | How do we arrive at hypotheses, interpretations and conclusions in the P2P Foundation, and in particular how did we arrive at our theoretical framing? We will focus on the practical and concrete research and experiences elsewhere, but here we focus on the sources of our theoretical insights, by going through the key books of the most significant authors who influenced us. As a collective, there will be many more sources than listed here, but these reflects the initial and ongoing work by Michel Bauwens, as co-producing the theoretical insights in collaboration with colleagues. For more:wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Sources_of_P2P_Theory-------As of 2007, Michel Bauwens is the founder of the Foundation for Peer-to-Peer Alternatives and works in collaboration with a global group of researchers in the exploration of peer production, governance, and property. He also co-founded the the Commons Strategies Group ( http://p2pfoundation.net/Berlin_Commons_Conference ). He is listed at #82, on the Post-Carbon Institute (En)Rich list, http://enrichlist.org/the-list) for his contributions to positive social change.Michel has taught on technology and related topics at St. Louis, Brussels, Payap University, Chiang Mai, and Dhurakit Pandit University, Bangkok; he has been Primavera Research Fellow at the University of Amsterdam; and external expert at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences (2008, 2012) (http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en.html). Michel Bauwens has advised the Board of the Union of International Associations (Brussels), Shareable magazine (San Francisco), the Zumbara Time Bank (Istanbul) and ShareLex (France); the "Association Les Rencontres du Mont-Blanc, Forum International des Dirigeants de l’Economie Sociale et Solidaire" (2013-). He was nominated as the Chair of the Technology/ICT working group, Hangwa Forum (Beijing, Sichuan), in charge of distributed manufacturing. He has been editor in chief of the magazine Wave, has written editorials for Al Jazeera English, articles for Shareable, along with peer-reviewed articles for scientific journals. He has co-produced the 3-hour TV documentary Technocalyps, with Frank Theys. Michel has written several books in Dutch, French, and English, such as Peer to Peer, the Commons Manifesto.In the 1990s, after a first nine year stint as analyst for USIA, Michel worked as strategic knowledge manager for British Petroleum, editor in chief for riverland Publications, eBusiness Strategy director for Belgacom, and he created two internet start-ups, eCom (intranet/extranet) and KyberCo (interactive marketing) which were sold to Alcatel and Virtuaholdings respectively."For more:wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Michel_Bauwens-------The P2P Foundation is an international organization focused on studying, researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices in a very broad sense. Their motto is "Together we know everything, together we have everything", i.e. pooling our resources through commons, creates prosperity for all. They document thousands of initiatives going in that direction on order to create "Hope with evidence."
