Sources PodcastEllis tells Alex about his storytelling speech for AI founders at Andreessen Horowitz, and they discuss how OpenAI beat Meta to hire the founder of OpenClaw. Then they’re joined by Notion CEO Ivan Zhao to talk about the rise of AI agents. They discuss building custom agents inside Notion, his own AI workflow, why he's focused on hiring young people, and why he thinks every software company needs to become agent-friendly to survive.
Chapters: 00:00 Introduction & week recap 02:31 Ellis's a16z talk & Faces launch 09:14 Open Claw founder Peter Steinberger joins OpenAI 13:58 Agent social networks & Notion preview 19:30 Interview with Ivan Zhao: custom agents launch 25:28 Business use cases & automating busy work 33:34 Ivan's personal agent workflow 39:30 Hiring philosophy & young talent 42:20 AI vs HCI: computing philosophy 44:53 The future of interfaces & email 47:25 SaaS death & building for agents 55:58 Usage-based pricing & business model shift 56:42 Product strategy: mail, calendar & agent app 01:00:24 IPO plans & company future 01:06:55 Manager of infinite minds & closing thoughts
Notions CEO on if AI is really killing software companiesSources Podcast2026-02-19 | Ellis tells Alex about his storytelling speech for AI founders at Andreessen Horowitz, and they discuss how OpenAI beat Meta to hire the founder of OpenClaw. Then they’re joined by Notion CEO Ivan Zhao to talk about the rise of AI agents. They discuss building custom agents inside Notion, his own AI workflow, why he's focused on hiring young people, and why he thinks every software company needs to become agent-friendly to survive.
Chapters: 00:00 Introduction & week recap 02:31 Ellis's a16z talk & Faces launch 09:14 Open Claw founder Peter Steinberger joins OpenAI 13:58 Agent social networks & Notion preview 19:30 Interview with Ivan Zhao: custom agents launch 25:28 Business use cases & automating busy work 33:34 Ivan's personal agent workflow 39:30 Hiring philosophy & young talent 42:20 AI vs HCI: computing philosophy 44:53 The future of interfaces & email 47:25 SaaS death & building for agents 55:58 Usage-based pricing & business model shift 56:42 Product strategy: mail, calendar & agent app 01:00:24 IPO plans & company future 01:06:55 Manager of infinite minds & closing thoughts
ACCESS is produced in partnership with the Vox Media Podcast Network.
#ai #notion #aigents #saas #technewsWhy its important that Metas new AI agent has discretionSources Podcast2026-09-20 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman says hes a lazy user of AISources Podcast2026-09-19 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Zuckerberg: Meta wants to work closely with the government on AISources Podcast2026-09-19 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.OpenAI growth depends on computeSources Podcast2026-09-18 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Why Mark Zuckerberg started posting on X againSources Podcast2026-09-18 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altmans vision for the ultimate AI subscriptionSources Podcast2026-09-17 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.How Zuckerberg uses Metas Muse AI to help with MMA trainingSources Podcast2026-09-17 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman thinks there should be an AI privilege lawSources Podcast2026-09-16 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Zuckerberg: Privacy has been very important to our success with WhatsAppSources Podcast2026-09-16 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Baseten CEO thinks inference could be the last AI market leftSources Podcast2026-09-15 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Baseten CEO on why the AI boom is just getting startedSources Podcast2026-09-15 | Tuhin Srivastava is the CEO and co-founder of Baseten, an AI cloud startup recently valued at $13 billion. He tells me why every company will want to own its AI and what’s driving the explosion in demand for inference.
We discuss the rise of agents using browsers and virtual machines to get things done and Baseten’s recent acquisition to power that shift.
We also talk about the data center backlash, why companies are embracing Chinese open models, his plans for Baseten’s new research lab, and why he thinks inference becomes the only market left after AGI.
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Granola, @Atlassian , and Mercury.
Chapters: 00:00 What Is AI Inference? 06:05 Competing With the Cloud Giants 09:24 Why Companies Want to Own Their AI 15:30 Building Baseten Before the AI Boom 23:45 DeepSeek and the Race for Open AI Models 29:32 Baseten’s Growth and Expansion 33:05 AI Agents and the Blaxel Acquisition 38:32 Data Centers and the AI Backlash 43:25 What Happens to Inference After AGI? 45:12 When AI Agents Become CustomersSam Altmans prediciton for what the world will look like after AI superintelligenceSources Podcast2026-09-15 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Meta has sentinel agents that project the Muse AISources Podcast2026-09-15 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman says OpenAI needs to make an even bigger bet on building data centersSources Podcast2026-09-14 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Zuckerberg on whats wrong with AI testingSources Podcast2026-09-14 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.I think government testing of the model and shared standards is a super good idea, says Sam AltmanSources Podcast2026-09-13 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Zuckerberg confirms Meta is releasing its next big AI model, codenamed WatermelonSources Podcast2026-09-13 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Why OpenAI was late to AI codingSources Podcast2026-09-12 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Mark Zuckerberg responds to privacy concerns about Metas camera glassesSources Podcast2026-09-12 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.OpenAI will definitely build a humanoid robotSources Podcast2026-09-11 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Mark Zuckerberg on Metas $17 billion youth safety settlementSources Podcast2026-09-11 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman responds to Apple’s OpenAI lawsuitSources Podcast2026-09-10 | Sam Altman's response to Apple's lawsuit against OpenAI: "I'm like a mega Apple fanboy, and I was very sad about that."
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Mark Zuckerberg says bad actors are causing the data center backlashSources Podcast2026-09-10 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman warns of an AI compute bubbleSources Podcast2026-09-09 | Sam Altman says he's not worried about OpenAI's spending on AI compute, but "I am worried about the world's compute buildout plans... I am seeing the first signs of what seems like unsustainable silliness."
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Mark Zuckerberg: Metas Muse AI agent will just work for anyoneSources Podcast2026-09-09 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Granola, Atlassian, and Mercury.Mark Zuckerberg: Metas Muse AI agent is a lot of computerSources Podcast2026-09-08 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Granola, Atlassian, and Mercury.Mark Zuckerberg on how Metas Muse AI agent will make people moneySources Podcast2026-09-08 | As Meta releases Muse, Mark Zuckerberg tells me why he thinks a personal AI agent that works for you around the clock will make you money.
He explains how Meta plans to make that business work and why he thinks keeping the most powerful AI models in the hands of a few companies is dangerous.
We also discuss the growing backlash against data centers, Meta’s recent youth safety settlement, and the privacy scare over its smart glasses. And he shares what went wrong with Llama 4, how he rebuilt Meta’s AI lab, and what’s coming next.
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Granola, @Atlassian and Mercury.
Chapters: 00:00 Zuckerberg’s Vision for AI 08:34 Data Centers, Jobs and Local Communities 15:03 Why Meta Is Building Personal Superintelligence 19:14 How Zuckerberg Uses Muse 25:00 Muse Pricing and Business Model 30:31 Privacy and Security for Personal Agents 41:06 Who Will Win the Personal AI Agent Market? 44:31 Rebuilding Meta’s AI Lab 54:09 AI Safety and Working With Government 01:01:51 Smart Glasses and Privacy 01:05:50 Teen Safety and Social Media LimitsSam Altman on whether OpenAI has hit AGI: Sort of. Close at least.Sources Podcast2026-09-08 | Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman on AI job lossSources Podcast2026-09-07 | OpenAI CEO Sam Altman on job loss due to AI: "The job impact has been lower than I would have expected, maybe even hoped for... We should all want human drudgery and toil to be addressed."
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.OpenAI is building new AI devicesSources Podcast2026-09-06 | Sam Altman says OpenAI is working on a "small handful" of consumer devices with Jony Ive, including "something that belongs on a table, something that belongs in your pocket, and something that belongs on your body".
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Why OpenAI is slowing downSources Podcast2026-09-05 | Sam Altman explains why OpenAI is slowing down its frontier AI research due to safety concerns.
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman says hes on team humanitySources Podcast2026-09-04 | OpenAI CEO Sam Altman on AI automating everything: "We are very proudly on team humanity"
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman on OpenAIs new Astra modelSources Podcast2026-09-04 | OpenAI's CEO says "Astra feels like it reached human parity on using computers"
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman on AI’s water useSources Podcast2026-09-03 | OpenAI CEO Sam Altman on the water consumption of data centers: "The people who are scarfing down 12 almonds at a time don't feel like they are doing something horrible from a water perspective, for the most part."
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Why Sam Altman is wary of an OpenAI IPOSources Podcast2026-09-02 | Sam Altman on an OpenAI IPO: "People respond to incentives. They want their stock price to go up. They don't want to miss a quarter... I want it to be as easy as possible for us to make a decision in the interest of the safety of the world."
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman responds to the AI backlashSources Podcast2026-09-02 | Sam Altman on the AI backlash: "Generally speaking, I think the right way to get people to like something is to deliver them value.”
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman responds to being called a “YOLO CEO”Sources Podcast2026-09-01 | Sam Altman responds to the meme of him being a "YOLO CEO”
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: Atlassian, Granola, and Mercury.Sam Altman on Astra, AGI, and the future of OpenAISources Podcast2026-09-01 | After an unreleased OpenAI model recently escaped its sandbox and hacked Hugging Face, Sam Altman tells me why the company is slowing down frontier research. We also discuss Astra, OpenAI’s next-generation family of models, which is coming soon.
We talk about the growing backlash against AI. He explains why a faster path to recursively self-improving AI could push an OpenAI IPO further out.
And he shares more about the coming consumer hardware he’s developing with Jony Ive, including the privacy questions around an ambient AI device and the first hints at the form factors they’re building.
This conversation was recently filmed in two parts and in collaboration with TIME.
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: @Atlassian , Granola, and Mercury.
Chapters: 00:00 Why OpenAI Slowed Training 08:37 What Alignment Means 15:22 Keeping Humans in Control 24:39 AGI vs. Superintelligence 30:04 OpenAI’s Next Compute Bet 31:47 AI Backlash, Jobs, and Creators 41:31 OpenAI’s Missteps and Refocus 45:47 Astra and Computer-Using Agents 47:42 Regulation and the AI Race 51:24 Merging ChatGPT and Codex 54:22 The AI Compute Bubble 57:07 Recursive Self-Improvement and IPO 58:22 Humanoid Robots and Consumer Devices 1:05:47 Life After SuperintelligenceTeaser: Sam Altman on the future of OpenAISources Podcast2026-08-31 | In the launch episode of the Sources Podcast, Alex Heath sits down with Sam Altman to discuss OpenAI's future, including its next generation of Astra models, the Hugging Face hack and slowing research, personal devices, robots, and the path to AGI.
Watch the full conversation on the Sources Podcast on Tuesday, September 1st, available everywhere you can get podcasts.
https://sources.news/p/introducing-the-sources-podcast-with?utm_source=youtube“AI gives everyone yesterdays knowledge” - Dan ShipperSources Podcast2026-08-02 | AI can give anyone access to yesterday's knowledge. The real advantage now is knowing how to solve tomorrow's problems. Dan Shipper explains why expertise still matters in the age of AI.
#AI #FutureOfWork #ArtificialIntelligenceWhy most AI model reviews are wrongSources Podcast2026-08-01 | A model that seems terrible on day one might become your favorite once you change how you use it. Dan Shipper explains why honest AI reviews are harder than they look.
#AI #ChatGPT #ArtificialIntelligenceI accidentally spent 2 BILLION AI tokens overnightSources Podcast2026-07-31 | Dan Shipper explains how accidentally spending 2 billion AI tokens led to an important lesson: if you're never willing to waste tokens, you're probably not discovering anything new.
#AI #ChatGPT #ArtificialIntelligenceWhat its like to test every new AI model firstSources Podcast2026-07-30 | Alex and Ellis sit down with Dan Shipper, CEO of Every, to talk about what it actually looks like to be the most AI-pilled company that isn't a frontier lab. They get into how Dan uses ChatGPT Voice to read Heidegger at 6am, why he accidentally spent 2 billion tokens overnight, and why he thinks OpenAI just pulled off something that almost never happens in tech. They also discuss what the new Siri could do to ChatGPT, and whether that's the Instagram Stories moment for the assistant market, why the developers building at the edge today are a 12-month preview of what every knowledge worker will be doing next, and what "after automation" means for people whose job is to have original ideas. Then Alex and Ellis reflect on one year of Access, why they're winding the show down, and what's next for both of them.
ACCESS is produced in partnership with the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Chapters: 00:00 Final episode and introducing Dan Shipper 03:36 Dan Shipper's AI-powered daily routine 09:21 Why Siri could challenge ChatGPT 16:22 Dan's two-phone productivity system 22:07 How Every evaluates new AI models honestly 35:20 The surprising cost of AI tokens 39:57 From solo builders to AI-powered teams 43:14 Building an AI coworker that learns from your company 48:43 The future of personalized media and AI expertise 54:43 Dan's predictions for the next wave of AI 55:54 Why Access is coming to an end
#AIpodcast #DanShipper #EveryThis AI talks back when youre being a jerkSources Podcast2026-07-19 | Some users complain this AI is "mean." The founder says that's usually because they were being rude first, and the AI simply stands up for itself.
#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ChatbotIs this AI actually good for your relationships?Sources Podcast2026-07-18 | People compare AI companions to Black Mirror, but this founder says the goal is the exact opposite: helping people build stronger real-world relationships.
#AI #BlackMirror #TechThe little AI alien moms are obsessed withSources Podcast2026-07-17 | Why are so many people talking to a little AI alien every morning? It turns out they're not looking for answers. They're looking to feel seen.
#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #FutureTechThe little AI making $20M a year by actually listeningSources Podcast2026-07-16 | Ellis sits down with Quinten Farmer, founder of Tolan, the AI companion doing over $20M in annual revenue by being a genuinely good friend, not a yes machine. They get into why Tolan's little aliens accidentally became beloved by moms 35 to 45, how Tolans stick up for themselves when users are mean, and why Quinten dropped "companion" as a word entirely. They also talk about why he went premium-only at $25 a month when Character.AI and ChatGPT couldn't afford to go free, how 78% of Tolan users say it improved a real-world relationship, and what it looks like to build the calmest startup culture in tech from an island off the coast of Seattle.
ACCESS is produced in partnership with the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Chapters: 00:00 When Tolans push back 00:19 Meet Quinten Farmer 01:21 Building from Whidbey Island 04:09 Why SF is a bad place to build consumer tech 07:30 From Portola to Tolan 11:08 Voice, memory, and character 14:31 Why moms are the core audience 17:51 Dropping "companion" for "guide" 20:05 How Tolan strengthens real relationships 25:30 Onboarding and the Oracle 31:40 Anti-sycophancy and the pushback design 35:22 What "second self" actually means 37:50 $20M ARR and premium-only pricing 41:13 How to market a product that's different for everyone 45:12 Building a no-drama culture at 30 people
#AIcompanion #Tolan #AIstartupHave we become too dependent on AI?Sources Podcast2026-07-12 | What if ChatGPT disappeared tomorrow? After relying on Claude every day, Alex found himself on a flight without internet and realized how dependent he'd become on AI for writing.
#AI #ClaudeAI #WritingThe AI writing debate just changedSources Podcast2026-07-11 | The conversation around AI writing has shifted fast. The question isn't whether to use AI anymore. It's how to use it without losing the craft of writing.
#AI #Writing #ArtificialIntelligenceGoogle Docs hasnt changed in 20 yearsSources Podcast2026-07-10 | Google Docs is broken? Google Docs changed collaboration, but has writing itself actually improved? Jon Steinback explains why today's writing tools still miss the point.