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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Ep. 270
What new AI feature is the best writing tool that exists today?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the game-changing potential of OpenAI's new Canvas feature and how it can revolutionize marketing strategies. Discover how AI can serve as your thought partner, helping with everything from long-form content creation to crisis communication preparation. Learn how to leverage AI for better productivity and innovative marketing ideas.
Mentions
OpenAI Canvas openai.com/index/introducing-canvas
OpenAI Enterprise openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-enterprise
Claude claude.ai
Resource
Timestamps
00:00 OpenAI mirrors Claude features; cool writing tools.
04:12 Used AI to summarize and enhance memos.
09:05 AI helps streamline initial brainstorming and collaboration.
11:50 AI centralizes Persona development and Crisis Communication.
18:55 Created influencer network for promotion and influence.
20:44 Treat AI differently from humans for optimization.
24:40 AI tools essential for enhancing writing, coding.
26:42 Canvas overview, laughs, and Psyop jokes.
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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Ep. 269
Can AI really create viral short form videos in just 6 minutes?
Kieran dives into the process of using AI to create compelling short form videos from longer content. Learn more on how to teach AI to identify the best talking points, break down a video template for viral potential, and create engaging short form video content.
Mentions
Jenny Hoyos youtube.com/@JennyHoyos
Claude claude.ai
Steph Smith a16z.com/author/stephanie-smith
Timestamps
00:00 AI helps create YouTube shorts from long videos.
07:22 AI creates short video from long form.
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About the Show
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Ep. 268
"Is AI about to revolutionize storytelling forever?"
Kipp dives into the groundbreaking potential of Google’s NotebookLM and how it might reshape marketing strategies in 2024. Learn more about leveraging AI for creating engaging media, how engineers are becoming pivotal in marketing, and tips on automating content creation efficiently.
Mentions
Andrej Karpathy https://x.com/karpathy
Histories of Mysteries podcast open.spotify.com/show/3K4LRyMCP44kBbiOziwJjb?si=432a337c28f14d97&nd=1&dlsi=1e2cd9b320094415
NotebookLM https://notebooklm.google/
Ideogram ideogram.ai
Claude claude.ai
Nathan Barry https://x.com/nathanbarry
Timestamps
00:00 Engineer uses AI to create media quickly.
03:46 AI empowers storytelling, enhancing productivity, not replacing.
09:50 Notebook LM: your AI research assistant for documents.
11:37 Google Notebook LM excels at data analysis automation.
14:20 Research aids understanding through summaries and outputs.
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You have to "onboard" AI if you want the best output.
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How can AI take you from a novice to an expert in 13 minutes?
Kipp and Kieran offer a five-step framework to level up your AI skills rapidly.
Kipp and Kieran dive into the secrets of mastering AI with a practical and accelerated learning approach. Learn more on effective prompting techniques, mastering context setting, the power of templates, integrating AI agents into your workflow, and transforming complex tasks into achievable goals with AI-driven apps. In this episode, Kipp and Kieran lay out the essential steps to unlock AI's potential and elevate your marketing game.
Mentions
Indbound inbound.com
OpenAI openai.com
Claude claude.ai
Klarna klarna.com/us
Timestamps
00:00 Differentiating in AI relies on skillful prompting.
04:13 OpenAI's new model: simple, direct prompting needed.
08:21 AI excels with guidance from domain experts.
13:11 Use AI for scalable expertise reverse engineering.
15:12 Optimize email writing styles for booking meetings.
19:56 Integrate agents into teams for future success.
21:29 AI unlocks creativity with data-rich resources.
26:56 AI simplifies tough problems, enabling impactful solutions.
28:09 30 minutes covered quickly, see you again.
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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Ep. 266
What's the secret to solving customer problems in 30 minutes?
Kieran and Varun Anand (co-founder and COO of Clay) dive into the onboarding magic that built a $500M business by addressing user issues effectively and efficiently. Learn more on how interactive guidance transforms user experiences, the importance of an engineering mindset in marketing, and the power of community-centric growth strategies.
Mentions
Varun Anand linkedin.com/in/vaanand
Clay clay.com
Modern Sales Pros modernsaleshq.com
Anthropic anthropic.com
Notion https://www.notion.so/
Figma figma.com
Timestamps
00:00 Using Slack, WhatsApp, for social listening.
03:20 Applying engineering to company growth and marketing.
08:56 Providing scalable solutions with tenfold value increase.
09:43 Transitioned from sales-led to self-serve model.
15:50 Engineers perform functions for efficient communication.
18:44 Enterprise complexity alters product use and collaboration.
23:08 Social and financial incentives drive ecosystem growth.
24:00 Tommy enables creators to programmatically create content.
28:07 Early LinkedIn posts connected personal experiences creatively.
33:41 Ongoing challenges with goal-setting and trust issues.
35:44 Marketing's indirect ROI: Hard to measure.
39:41 Listen to feelings about deliverables and interactions.
41:30 Popular tool Clay praised in podcast interview.
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Ep. 265
“Will AI replace human jobs by 2025?”
Kipp and Kieran dive into the world of AI voice technology and its implications for business development and customer support. Learn more about how AI voice models like ChatGPT are transforming sales calls, the unique advantages and challenges of using AI in customer interactions, and the future landscape of AI integration in various professional applications.
Mentions
HubSpot’s Marketing Hub hubspot.com/products/marketing/get-started
WordPress wordpress.com
Typeform typeform.com
Ahrefs ahrefs.com
Google Analytics developers.google.com/analytics
Timestamps
00:00 Having AI act as business development rep using best practices.
08:04 Voice AI evolving, proving useful for sales calls.
12:35 AI can distill product benefits for calls.
18:43 AI excels in information; humans add personalization.
20:45 It felt warmer and less cold than expected.
26:44 Uses voice as thought partner for business support.
28:31 Impartial dialogue for high-consideration, note-taking decisions.
31:09 Voice search complements, doesn't replace, text search.
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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
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How Claude can help you accelerate the learning process.
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Gary Vaynerchuk's reminder that everything changes, but that can't stop a marketer from changing with the times.
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Is AI finally ready to revolutionize the way we work day to day?
Kipp, Kieran, and Steph Smith (host of the a16z podcast) dive into practical use cases of AI that can transform your workflows and enhance productivity. Learn more about how recording processes in Loom can generate SOPs and give feedback on automation, leveraging AI to provide efficiency suggestions, and using AI to distill the core elements of why certain content performs well. Recorded from HubSpot’s Inbound 2024
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A16z Podcast podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711
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Loom loom.com
Midjourney midjourney.com/home
Timestamps
00:00 Automate and improve tasks using async week.
04:39 Created an efficient, AI-enhanced operating model.
06:16 Automation apps assist non-coders with application development.
14:26 AI accelerates learning and unlocks creativity.
16:34 Meta-awareness in learning tools, clarity improves outcomes.
19:42 AI structures and redefines our thought limitations.
22:42 I prefer async communication: room, zoom, loom.
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"Did you know that YouTube sees a billion hours of video watched daily?"
Kipp. Kieran, and guest Joshua Xu (co-founder and CEO of HeyGen) dive into applications of AI video in modern business today, recorded from HubSpot’s Inbound 2024. Learn more about the dynamic nature of AI videos, the integration of interactive avatars, and the future of personalized and scalable video content.
00:00 Introduction
00:27 The Year of AI Video
00:56 Introducing Joshua Chu and HeyGen
01:39 Challenges in Video Production
02:51 AI Video Solutions with HeyGen
03:45 Use Case 1: Localization
09:37 Use Case 2: Personalized Video
16:40 Use Case 3: Interactive Avatars
23:33 Future of AI Video
27:11 Conclusion
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Indbound inbound.com
Joshua Xu heygen.com/author/joshua-xu
HeyGen heygen.com
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Marketers will be building apps in the future.
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Can you really build a functional app in just 30 minutes?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the fascinating world of AI tools to see just how quickly you can go from idea to finished product. Learn more on how to harness AI-powered coding to create personalized workout apps, adjusting workout intensity based on user inputs and energy levels.
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Replit replit.com
Similarweb similarweb.com
Kyle Shannon https://x.com/kyleshannon
Timestamps
00:00 AI agents enable personalized software creation easily.
05:01 Annual Replit Core subscription price.
09:55 Develop HIIT app prototype.
13:04 Signed up to build app for content creation.
19:44 Custom web pages quickly built for startups.
21:39 Four innovative app ideas using the Similar Web API.
24:26 Personalized one-to-one media and software future.
27:09 Still a big gap exists between technical, non-technical folks.
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How AI can help you quickly make a fitness app.
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“This is the year of AI coding!”
Kipp and Kieran dive into how OpenAI's latest model o1 is revolutionizing the way we code and the broader implications for marketers everywhere. Learn more on how AI coding will transform your marketing funnel and strategy, the concept of disposable code and its impact on the software industry, and the new prompting techniques you need to master to make the most of AI's advanced reasoning capabilities.
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OpenAI o1 openai.com/index/introducing-openai-o1-preview
Eric Glyman https://x.com/eglyman
Allie K. Miller https://x.com/alliekmiller
Timestamps
00:00 New model o1 focuses on thinking, reasoning.
06:04 Discussing interesting scientific demos and favorite subculture moment.
11:38 Tech shift: Service to software, AI transforming processes.
13:40 Simplify prompts; avoid step-by-step reasoning.
18:27 Use expert models to stay highly competitive.
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Will we live in a world where you can use AI to make a personalized tv show or movie?
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Are you ready for AI to revolutionize your go-to-market strategy by 2025?
Kipp and Kieran dive into how you can leverage HubSpot’s cutting-edge AI tools to stay ahead in the rapidly changing marketing landscape. Learn more on AI-driven custom email marketing to boost your conversion rates by over 80%, the game-changing potential of virtual business development representatives, and the transformative impact of text-to-video technology on your marketing efforts.
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Captions captions.ai
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Want to build a web app in minutes with zero coding skills?
Kipp and Kieran dive into how you can leverage GPT Engineer to create powerful web applications without writing a single line of code. Learn more on how to turn your creative ideas into functional web apps, the game-changing capabilities of AI tools like GPT Engineer, and how the democratization of coding can revolutionize marketing and business operations.
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GPT Engineer chatgpt.com/g/g-WwXQO67cv-gpt-engineer
Alex Lieberman linkedin.com/in/alex-lieberman
Claude Artifacts anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnet
CoinMarketCap coinmarketcap.com
GitHub github.com
Similarweb similarweb.com
Timestamps
00:00 Built app during intro, showcasing personalized software.
03:57 GPT Engineer simplifies app prototyping, potentially surpassing Claude.
08:30 Building web app to track companies' marketing data.
12:32 Custom workout app using personalized data from WhatsApp.
14:12 Sharing and iterating apps disrupts software engineering.
23:09 Build web apps, share links, receive feedback.
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Is traditional management holding your business back?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the transformative concept of Founder Mode and how it redefines effective leadership for modern businesses. Learn more on the importance of leaders being hands-on and managing work instead of teams, why focusing on customer needs trumps peer opinions, and how to hire based on growth mindset and problem-solving abilities. In this episode, Kipp and Kieran unpack Paul Graham's viral essay and debate the best strategies to build successful organizations.
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Paul Graham’s “Founder Mode” essay paulgraham.com/foundermode.html
Y Combinator ycombinator.com
HupSpot’s The State of Marketing Report hubspot.com/state-of-marketing
Timestamps
00:00 Founder Mode involves unconventional direct engagement, breaking hierarchy.
06:12 Manage the work collaboratively, involve and guide teams.
07:44 Industrial revolution birthed top-down management, evolved work.
10:19 Balancing feedback: marketing focus versus managerial rapport.
16:40 Influence builds consensus; articulation resonates with many.
20:46 Hiring based on prior experience often fails.
23:24 Growth mindset is crucial for hiring success.
28:59 Leaders should clarify involvement expectations to employees.
29:36 Clarify work expectations to avoid misunderstandings.
32:58 Debating ideal collaborators for founder mode journey.
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Kieran's tool - agent.ai/agent/linkedinfromyoutube
Are you ready to unlock the secrets of AI agents and revolutionize your career?
Kipp and Kieran dive into an engaging conversation with HubSpot Co-Founder Dharmesh Shah about AI agents, content creation, and career growth. Learn more on how Agent AI operates and its real-world applications, the vision behind creating efficient markets, and the evolution of software development in the age of AI.
Ep. 257
Mentions
Dharmesh Shah linkedin.com/in/dharmesh
Agent.ai agent.ai
HubSpot hubspot.com
Fiverr fiverr.com
Timestamps
00:00 Excited about AI agent for writing.
05:21 AI learning to create replicable content for platforms.
06:39 Quickly rank, add AI aid for LinkedIn posts.
12:45 Confession: questioning sharing to build an audience.
14:18 Sharing AI prompts requires giving up source code.
17:23 Webpage screenshot and color palette generation tool.
21:58 Quad 3.5 sonnet generates really good code.
24:08 Consider keeping domain expertise secret in AI.
27:34 eBay and Google created efficient niche markets.
30:21 Software development has evolved, raising engineers' value.
34:40 AI integration in teams improves productivity and efficiency.
38:43 AI unlocks fast idea realization and iteration.
40:01 AI extracts genetic code from writing, analyzes.
43:44 Agent AI enables seamless access to various tools.
47:35 Explore Agent AI and other cool tools.
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Dharmesh Shah linkedin.com/in/dharmesh
Agent.ai agent.ai
HubSpot hubspot.com
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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
[Steal This] Get the AI Trends for Marketers Report ➡️ clickhubspot.com/amb
"How do you build a $1 billion creator business from scratch?"
Kipp, Kieran, and Morning Brew’s co-founder Alex Lieberman dive into the playbook for building massive creator-led ventures in today's digital landscape. Learn more on leveraging the immense power of trusted distribution networks, overcoming the inefficiencies in influencer marketing, and why the best creator-led businesses thrive even if the creator steps back. Here’s the full episode with Alex: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alex-lieberman-on-building-a-personal-brand/id1616700934?i=1000665964510
Mentions
Alex Lieberman linkedin.com/in/alex-lieberman
Morning Brew morningbrew.com
Storyarb storyarb.com
Who is Michael Ovitz? penguinrandomhouse.com/books/311042/who-is-michael-ovitz-by-michael-ovitz
Kevin Espiritu kevinespiritu.com
Timestamps
00:00 Importance of trusted distribution across various industries.
04:15 Challenges in influencer marketing and creator brands.
09:10 Celebrities' alcohol brands fail due to quality.
11:01 Creators key for marketing, confident product. Niches valuable.
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Ethan DeWaal, of Asana, talks about the benefits of having Claude help you improve your prompts.
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[Steal Our Research] Get the AI Trends for Marketers Report ➡️ clickhubspot.com/tia
Why is customer service the number one brand technique you need to master?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the groundbreaking ways AI tools are transforming brand awareness and customer perception. Learn more on how HubSpot’s new AI search grader reveals what the Internet really says about your brand, the shift from traditional search engines to Large Language Models, and practical steps to improve your brand's sentiment and share of voice. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to leverage AI to gain a competitive edge in marketing.
Mentions
Claude claude.ai
Kraken kraken.com
Coinbase coinbase.com
Muddy Bites muddybites.com
Timestamps
00:00 AI chat assistants as powerful brand awareness tool.
05:00 Demonstrating brand tracking tool with AI analysis.
09:06 Importance of brand awareness in search results.
12:48 AI disrupting brand awareness studies with free tools.
16:21 Customer support is the number one brand technique.
20:01 Automating brand report creation for website scraping.
20:54 Prioritize brand pillars early in the company.
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Can Alex Lieberman become the Lenny Ratchiskiy of marketing in the next year? 🤔 Kipp and Kieran offer a deep dive into what it takes to become a standout marketing thought leader in today's competitive landscape.
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What if you could automate the most mundane parts of your sales job and get promoted for it?
Kipp and Kieran are joined by Ethan Dewaal, and dive into how AI is revolutionizing sales practices and boosting productivity. You will learn more on automating product questions with AI chatbots, developing a four-part roadmap for advanced AI use, and the significant impact of AI on the sales cycle.
Discover the transformative power of AI as Ethan shares his journey from automating his sales role at Asana to pioneering AI tools that drive efficiency and efficacy. Find out how experimenting at a low cost can help discover the ideal product-market fit, how prompt engineering has become simpler and more accessible, and why the concept of a copilot could potentially make sales reps dramatically more efficient. This one is all about the real-world applications and future possibilities of AI in sales.
00:00 Efficient personalized messaging can be streamlined.
05:53 AI integration expertise leads to exceptional productivity.
07:51 Asana challenges led to creating prompt engineering.
12:49 Advice: Prompt engineering isn't hard, models improved.
15:50 Custom assistant for complex product sales teams.
19:03 Automate meeting prep and build custom AI.
20:10 Asana empowers seamless workflow and user experience.
23:55 Sales development rep and team tools optimization.
27:49 Sales process includes filtering, qualifying, and connecting.
32:20 Sales reps may have AI copilots for sales.
35:35 AI inconsistent but may improve human experience.
36:49 Human vs AI sales implications and curiosity.
Mentions
Asana: asana.com
GPT-4: openai.com/research/gpt-4
Hubspot: hubspot.com
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Did you know that personality-led growth is the secret to outpacing AI in content marketing?
Kipp and Kieran explore how investing in personality-led content can skyrocket your brand’s visibility and growth. Discover why traditional SEO-driven content is fading and why adapting a storytelling strategy is essential. Learn more on the rising importance of influencers as in-house content creators, how personality content trumps AI, and why platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube are the new battlegrounds for brand engagement.
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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Can old IP give shut-down businesses a new lease on life? Kipp and Kieran explore how reviving dormant brands might just be the next big trend in marketing.
They are joined by Morning Brew’s co-founder Alex Lieberman to delve into the concept of leveraging old intellectual property to reignite business success. This episode will have you learning more on the potential of marketplaces for brands like SAP Seltzer in Vermont, how to create personalized and tactical content for business leaders, and the intricacies of "drop marketing" to captivate modern audiences.
Time Stamps:
00:00 Marketers are different, Reforge could do better.
04:35 Alex stands out for being clear, relatable.
09:23 Leveraging creativity, story telling, persuasion, self-improvement.
10:14 Seeking entrepreneurship while balancing family and success.
14:20 Modern-day entertainment business, distribution dynamics, influencer challenges.
17:39 Inefficiency in influencer marketing, especially on Instagram.
21:09 Creators are key to long-term business success.
23:37 Subscription economy enables automation, focus on growth.
28:50 Help Kip improve online presence, marketing strategy.
32:10 Fast thinker utilizing trends and executing strategy.
34:18 Tyler started for Beehive's lack of features.
36:49 Companies should have employees and customers advocate.
41:07 Creating social content may be challenging for executives.
44:11 Importance of finding the right voice online.
48:32 Focusing on value for target audience is key.
51:14 Create Shark Tank-style digital pitch for new generation.
53:43 Great conversation with Alex, relevant topics covered.
Mentions
SAP Seltzer: sapvt.com
Beehiiv: beehiiv.com
Story ARb: storyarb.com/Rb
Epic Gardening: youtube.com/@epicgardening
Backyard Baseball: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_Baseball(Wikipedia page)
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AI images are now so realistic that even AI experts can't tell what's real anymore.
Kipp and Kieran dive into the dramatic advancements in AI image generation with the release of Flux. Learn more on how Flux works, whether you can still spot fake images, and the top marketing use cases for AI-generated images in advertising, email campaigns, and website conversion optimization.
Mentions
Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here clickhubspot.com/matg
Flux: blackforestlabs.ai/#get-flux
Black Forest Labs: blackforestlabs.ai
Runway: runwayml.com
Midjourney: midjourney.com
DALL-E: openai.com/index/dall-e-2
Timestamps
00:00 AI avatars making sales interactions more seamless.
06:30 Detecting fake images using saturation and code.
08:25 Advocating for AI regulation in social networks.
13:12 AI errors lead to low tolerance and skepticism.
15:21 Zapier tried to use chatbot for onboarding.
18:36 AI improves conversions, personalizes content, and customizes images.
20:54 Quality of AI images improving, early marketing uses.
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Are Google ads overrated?
Kipp and guest, Omer Shai, CMO of Wix, examine the evolving landscape of search and the secret sauce behind Wix's success.
Kipp and Omer dive into marketing lessons from one of the industry's most resilient companies. Learn more on the future of search and its fragmentation, the untapped potential of influencer marketing, and the balance between brand and direct response marketing.
Mentions
Grab our curated list of our favorite AI prompts here clickhubspot.com/matg
Omer Shai au.linkedin.com/in/omer-shai-4a18049
Wix wix.com
Wix Studio wix.com/studio
Timestamps
00:00 Bought links, data-driven, found SEO opportunity. Created media opportunity for Wix.
03:44 Strategic marketing approach creates inexpensive high-converting traffic.
07:13 Seeking kindred spirit in relentless pursuit of improvement.
10:34 The importance of actually being data driven.
18:00 It takes a long time to do something remarkable.
22:29 Conflict sparks innovation; AI's impact on marketing.
26:50 Google's dominance raises fairness and competition concerns.
29:57 The world will become more fragmented.
32:59 Wix studio focuses on professional user growth.
36:12 Marketers value show's brand story influence.
37:46 Data, acquisition, direct response, brand, future searches.
42:43 Questioning importance of data-driven vs. audience-focused approach.
46:09 Understanding company financials for aggressive acquisition strategy.
50:35 Michael Jordan sought negative feedback for motivation.
52:00 Striving for improvement, pushing for innovation.
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Turn visitors into leads today with HubSpot’s free marketing tools.
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
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Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Can you survive the AI wave in content creation?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the strategies and skills you need to thrive in the age of AI-driven marketing. Learn more on navigating the transition from traditional content playbooks to personality-led growth, the impact of AI on search-driven traffic, and tips for hiring and leveraging in-house influencers to create engaging, authentic content.
Mentions
NerdWallet nerdwallet.com
Alex Hormozi acquisition.com/bio-alex
Timestamps
00:00 Alex Hormozi discusses iterating book, AI's efficiency advantage.
03:29 SEO business feels pinch of AI implementation.
08:36 AI faces challenges, slow progress observed. Entropic surpasses OpenAI.
11:14 Learning from leaders and storytellers for success.
15:53 AI simplifies information search, answering queries efficiently.
17:23 Google becomes a research engine; AI can do it all.
19:45 Content requires personality and deep expertise. Utilize AI to enhance content creation.
24:36 Incentivize influencers to grow brand channels effectively.
27:13 Honesty and adaptability are crucial for success.
Resource
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
"Is putting all your eggs in the ROAS basket stunting your growth?"
Kipp and Kieran dive into why relying solely on Return on Ad Spend might not be the smartest move for marketers aiming for long-term success. Every marketer needs to understand the significance of building their own audience, the true impact of paid advertising, and navigating the complex world of marketing metrics.
Mentions
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ReturnReturn on Ad Spend (ROAS) blog.hubspot.com/marketing/return-on-ad-spend
LinkedIn post about Nike linkedin.com/posts/massimogiunco_nike-sneakers-digital-activity-7223265757982318593-P0xZ?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
Timestamps
00:00 Marketing: focus on measuring the right metric.
03:55 Marketing's accountability in the Internet era.
09:38 Measuring marketing impact using incrementality models explained.
13:22 Measuring ad campaign impact through conversion studies.
14:33 Update numbers regularly with challenging incrementality model.
18:30 Nike shifted to a serve-and-retain marketing strategy.
23:32 Building own audience crucial for company's growth.
24:49 Encouraged new perspective on advertising metrics.
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
What are the 3 marketing ideas that took Chess.com to $150M?
Kieran Flanagan dives into the strategic steps Erik Allebest and his team took to dominate the online chess world and build a thriving community-led business. Learn more about the early recognition and promotion of chess streaming, winning over both casual and professional players by enhancing user experience and hosting prize events, and the importance of integrating SEO and content creation to outshine the competition.
Mentions
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Erik Allebest linkedin.com/in/erikallebest
Chess.com chess.com
Twitch twitch.tv
Timestamps
00:00 Understanding chess is about pattern recognition.
03:25 Nearly missed flight due to intense chess playing.
12:00 Marketing journey shifts to live streaming trend.
14:34 Internal program connects streamers to chess.com TV.
17:15 Early organic marketing led to successful ecosystem.
19:23 80% market share makes company chess leader.
25:25 Esports and crypto created a big bubble.
27:10 Chess.com expands market, aims for growth.
32:23 Adding chess to Olympic content without politics.
34:10 Chess has strong future appeal, global growth.
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
Is the current agency landscape broken and misaligned with client interests?
Kipp, Kieran, and Gary Vaynerchuk (VaynerX) dive into the misaligned incentives of agencies and how they hinder marketing success. This is a revisit of their episode with Gary in May. Learn more on why traditional agency models fail, the importance of relevance at scale, and actionable insights for marketers looking to break the mold.
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VaynerX vaynerx.com
Vaynermedia vaynermedia.com
Gary on Marketing Against the Grain podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gary-vee-if-you-dont-do-this-your-business-wont-exist/id1616700934?i=1000655755440
Timestamps
00:00 Frustration with ecosystem, superhero syndrome, inspiring independence.
08:32 What Gary wants to change in marketing.
09:51 A diverse range of target demographics for marketing.
Resource
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed
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Host Links:
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.
About the Show
Kipp Bodnar, HubSpot’s CMO and Kieran Flanagan Zapier’s CMO, lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.


