Cults to Consciousness
Barely Surviving a Painful Life As a Mormon TRAD WIFE
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00:00:00 Intro
00:03:02 Where and from whom Julia finds this information about Mormonism
00:06:21 Who could be blood atoned? What does it mean?
00:09:53 what is blood atonement
00:10:53 When the practice of blood atonement began and why bloodshed was required
00:11:27 Quotes from Joseph Smith Jr. referencing blood atonement
00:11:53 JOSEPH SMITH QUOTE
00:14:11 Sidney Rigdon taught about Blood Atonement
00:14:45 Temple ceremony blood atonement language & mimicking
00:17:05 Shelise found out about the secret gru*some temple penalty at 17
00:23:09 Brigham Young on B.O. equating baptism
00:24:53 Brigham Young on how to handle a cheating wife....
00:28:39 How the Journal of Discourses created Utah culture
00:34:18 Victims of the Blood Atonement as listed in the book Wife No. 19
00:37:28 CW: Graphic race driven m*rder
00:38:34 The Oath of Vengeance in the temple ceremony
00:40:54 Additional names of victims
00:42:17 1889 manifesto addressing blood atonement
00:44:48 What the church today says about blood atonement
00:46:51 Was Warren Jeffs from the FLDS building a B.O. room in the temple?
00:51:05 Blood atonement in the LeBaron sect
00:54:18 Why what the Mormon church acknowledges about blood atonement is not enough
00:57:16 The Book of Mormon as a historical document vs a book of tales
01:00:01 Linda, listen
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Anneke Lucas survived some of the worst atrocities known to humankind before the age of 12. After living in London, Paris and New York as a young adult, she moved to Los Angeles where she began therapy, yoga and meditation. Today, she is the founder and Executive Director of Liberation Prison Yoga, a non-profit organization based in New York. Now an advocate for other survivors, Anneke openly speaks about her experience. A story that truly emphasizes the power of hope, we dive into Anneke’s story, and healing journey.
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Lydia’s mother said she had received revelations of these horr*fic things and Lydia’s grandmother capitalized on this by gaining love and adoration from the LDS church members by appearing as a savior to the ab*sed chiIdren. Kidn*pped from Lydia’s father by her mother at 2 years old, she was told he was always searching for her so he could continue his Satanic practices.
Not only was Lydia dealing with these imposed traumas, she was told if she ever broke the rules of Mormonism or told someone about her past, her whole family would be tracked down by the Satanists and k*lled. Fear and terror ruled her life until she finally decided to look for the evidence. What she found crumbled her entire reality and she began the search to reconnect with her father.
Today we dive deeper into her father's perspective.
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Not only was Lydia dealing with these imposed traumas, she was told if she ever broke the rules of Mormonism or told someone about her past, her whole family would be tracked down by the Satanists and k*lled. Fear and terror ruled her life until she finally decided to look for the evidence. What she found crumbled her entire reality and she began the search to reconnect with her father.
watch Lydia's follow up Q&A: youtube.com/live/UybwJ1-gRgA?si=pZ1rnDk_LbdVirPu
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:32 Lydia Shares the Background of Her Charismatic Grandmother (Rac*sm)
00:08:04 CW: Mentions of CA, Lydia Shares About Her Family Dynamics Amidst the Satanic Panic
00:12:41 CW: Mentions of CA & CSA, Lydia Explains the Satanic Panic of the 80's and Her Early Memories
00:16:45 CW: Mentions of R*pe, CA & CSA, Lydia Shares the Manipulation and Mental States of Her Mother and Grandmother
00:22:03 Lydia Shares the Harm Caused by Her Mother's Obscure "Revelations"
00:27:59 Lydia Shares About the Interactions Between Mormonism and The Satanic Panic
00:33:18 CW: CA, Lydia's Talks about Her Grandma's Manipulation and Need for Importance
00:39:09 Lydia Expands on Her ChiIdhood Isolation and Other Difficulties Growing Up
00:43:59 CW: Mentions of R*pe & CSA, Lydia Shares the About Her Mormon Baptism & the Made Up Stories of Her Ab*se
00:48:11 Lydia's First Time Out of The House Attending BYU & First Contact with Her Father
00:53:13 Lydia's Mother's Extreme Measures to Protect Her & Beginning to Doubt
00:58:16 CW: Mentions of R*pe, Lydia Decides to Uncover the Truth and Exposes the Lies
01:03:55 Lydia Confronts Her Mother and Grandmother & Contacts Her Father
01:07:28 Lydia's Beautiful Reunion with Her Father After 25 Years
01:11:24 Lydia's Healing Journey & Helping Others
01:16:26 Lydia Shares How She Ensures She Won't Repeat the Cult Cycle with Her Coaching
01:18:58 Final Thoughts & Lydia's "Linda, Listen"
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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00:00:00 Intro
00:03:01 How did your cult use fear to keep women passive and obident?
00:17:44 The various ways your cult used Information Control to keep you isolated and unaware of the world
00:48:26 What are the "rewards" in heaven for women in your cult?
01:19:35 What made you want to finally escape your cult?
01:45:35 Words of advice to those currently in a cult that want to leave
01:53:54 Linda, listen
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:52 The Kingston Clan's fundamental beliefs
00:05:48 "Numbered Men" explained
00:09:31 How The Order believes they are descendants of Jesus Christ
00:14:39 Inbreeding in The Order
00:20:19 Amanda explains how procreating is of the utmost importance in the order
00:30:45 Commenting on coming to terms with realizing things were wrong in The Order
00:33:14 Amanda shares her story on how she left The Order
00:36:45 Amanda explains how The Order brings in new women to mix up the gene pool
00:37:49 Racism in the order
00:52:06 Trying to apply critical thinking to the beliefs of the order
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Now Philip is an outspoken critic of the statutes of limitations for crimes against chiIdren. Currently he lives in Switzerland, proud father and author, singer, songwriter, artist, wearable designer and hobby sound technician
His books include The monsters that kiss you good night, The monsters that walk with me and his third book in this series currently in progress "No one speaks about the monsters"
Philip feels “you can help by speaking out and making a difference. Monsters can only win, if their victims remain silent”
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:42 Philip's childhood in COG
00:11:29 How Philip processes what happened to him
00:16:37 How Philip managed as a 15 year old runaway
00:16:55 CW: CSA
00:19:56 Philip recounts his CSA
00:21:32 CW: CSA - The reason Philip remembers is CSA so well
00:29:37 The consequences Philip's dealt with for telling his story
00:31:51 CW: Society desensitized to women's SA and not men's
00:34:56 CW: mentions of suic*de
00:38:43 Philip felt he couldn't open up about CSA he experienced while dating
00:42:37 What it was like writing his first book - Philip comments on the responses people get when disclosing their trauma
00:46:19 Philip's thoughts on whether continuing to speak out will further hinder his success
00:55:51 How Philip is doing now
00:57:11 Linda, Listen
01:02:49 Philip sings and plays Little Black Sheep on his guitar
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From the ages of 6 to 12, up to when the cult leader, Berg, died, Serena Kelley hid her identity. She was born as a chiId celebrity in the notorious The ChiIdren of God cult, known for their extreme ab*se practices of polygamy, pedoph*lia, forced chiId marriages, religious prost*tution, and chiId traff*cking. Daughter to Sara Kelley— part of leadership, and writer of “The Davidito Book”(CSA manuscript)— when Serena left the compound she continued to lie about who she was. As she had been brainwashed to lie, it was hard for her to track when she should tell the truth, which created a warped sense of identity.
Serena describes how she worked her way back into the cult to retrieve a boy that she liked, what it was like escaping for a second time, and what it was like being out in the world, on her own, free to do whatever she wanted for the first time. Going from the s*x cult to now a fully s*xually charged environment in a club, she explains her methods at the time of processing the horrific things she went through as a child, involving a numbing with dr*g use, and dancing away the trauma.
Serena also recounts what it was like when just months before his murd*r-suic*de, an adult Ricky Rodriguez, whom “The Davidito Book" was written about, contacted her wanting to know where the author (her mother) was.
Serena reveals her journey with healing from the trauma, dealing with ill-equipped therapists, to ultimately finding plant medicine. Serena is now a writer and Trauma Recovery Specialist, helping others heal past traumas using methods to connect the mind, body, and soul to find peace and purpose in life.
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:19 Serena Shares the Difficulty of Sharing Her Story
00:08:15 CW: CSA, ChiId Traff*cking, CA, the Moment Serena Knew She Wanted to Leave the Cult
00:11:55 CW: ChiId Marriage, Serena Rebelling & Engagement to Berg
00:16:34 Serena Rescuing her Boyfriend in the Cult & Getting an Eduction
00:18:43 What it was like for Serena getting a GED in Texas after growing up with minimal education
00:24:02 CW: CSA, Serena Realizing How Much Better Things Were Outside the Cult
00:28:24 Serena Leaves the Family For Good & Starts Her New Life From Nothing
00:32:50 CW: SA, Serena Finds Freedom in the Club Scene
00:37:20 CW: SA, Serena Takes Positive Lessons About Her Worth from Her Negative Cult Programming
00:41:55 Serena’s Perspectives on Coping with Trauma & More of Her Education Story
00:46:52 Serena's Life After College While Still Struggling to Tell Her Story
00:49:30 Serena Shares Her Experience with Ricky's Murd*r/Su*cide
00:55:17 Serena's Beginnings In Unpacking Her Trauma
00:59:34 Serena’s Experience with Ayahu*sca
01:05:35 Serena Realizing She is Going To Tell Her Story & Backlash From Ex Cult Members
01:11:50 Serena Pursues Certifications & Discovers Equine Therapy
01:15:20 Serena's Life Now and Her Love of Movement
01:18:59 Linda, listen
01:21:03 CW: CSA, SA, Closing Thoughts
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David Brandt Berg, also known as King David, Dad, or Grandpa to followers, was the founder and leader of the cult generally known as the ChiIdren of God. In 1968 it began as a new religious movement focused on spreading the Christian message. As the decades progressed, the group targeted vulnerable people and devolved as a counter to purity culture in which Berg pushed the idea that God is love, and love is s*x, therefore members should have s*x with everyone. COG attracted the attention of the international media, and a British court case would find the group to be an authoritarian cult which engaged in the systematic physical and s*xual ab*se of chiIdren, resulting in lasting trauma among survivors.
Today’s guest, Serena Kelley, was born and raised in the cult, and along with her mother, Sara, were two of the select few people in David Berg’s inner circle. When Ricky Rodriguez (another chiId within the cult) was ten months old, Berg asked Sara, one of Ricky's nannies, to start creating a document titled "The Davidito Book" (also referred to as "The Story of Davidito"). The book contains descriptions of adults CSA-ing Rodriguez, describing this ab*se in a "celebratory" tone. Serena’s mother would end up writing the horrific CSA handbook for the Children of God Cult, and was even proud of the fact, becoming known as “Sara Davidito”.
Serena recounts what it was like growing up in the cult, alongside her brainwashed mother, facing constant mental, physical and s*xual abuse, while being forced to appear in CSA videos, and how at the age of 3, Serena was “given” to Berg as a chiId bride and told she was going to be his forever.
Watch pt 2 of Serena’s interview: youtu.be/VM5azK6MviQ?si=wgeiwQl4pmrsIwch
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:07 Children of God, explained
00:06:34 How Serena's mother got involved with the Children of God
00:10:45 CW: CSA, Serena Explains Children of God CSA Origins & Practices
00:15:26 CW: CSA, Serena Shares her mother's involvement with creating a CSA Manuscript
00:20:00 CW: CSA, SA, Serena Shares Her Earliest Memories in the Children of God Cult
00:26:53 CW: CA, CSA, Serena Shares About Constant Fear and Her Engagement as a Toddler
00:32:09 CW: SA, CSA, Homophob*a, The Children of God's Bizzarre S*xual Practices & Beliefs
00:36:07 CW: Incest, CSA, C recordings, Serena Shares about Cover-Ups and Beginning to Doubt
00:40:36 CW: CA, ChiId Traff*cking, Serena Shares About Her Time in the Japan Commune
00:48:32 CW: ChiId Traff*cking , Serena Talks about the Fear Tactics Used and Being Traff*cked
00:51:42 CW: CSA, Serena's Transition from Japan to Brazil
00:55:23 CW: CA, Serena Shares About Her "Celebrity Status" and Being Trained to Lie
01:02:52 CW: CA, Bullying, Berg's Death & Cult Leadership Makes Serena's Identity Public
01:10:59 CW: CSA, The Cult's New "Rules" About S*x
01:15:49 Serena Shares How She Escaped King Peter & S*xual Relationships with Adult Men
01:18:07 Linda Listen
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:51 What schooling was like for Ultra Orthodox groups and the differences of study between girls and boys
00:16:18 When Dainy figured out what s*x was and rules around interacting with different genders
00:19:05 Why modesty rules were put in place and who they apply to
00:22:27 CW: CSA - The extent of s*xual ab*se within Dainy's Ultra Orthodox community
00:28:41 How Dainy felt as a chiId in their Ultra Orthodox community and how it fostered low self esteem and sense of self
00:30:54 How the rules progressed as Dainy got older and how even more strict things are now
00:33:52 How watching movies affected Dainy's friendships
00:36:05 How Dainy's love for learning and knowledge came with consequences
00:45:05 Cookies vs C*caine: Distinguishing sins
00:46:18 Judgement on your religious morals in school over grades and lack of identity in the community
00:54:27 Women are expected to work and do it all but have limited options
01:01:38 Dainy further's their Orthodox education while not following all Jewish law
01:07:20 Growing away from Judaism before traveling to Israel in search of answers once and for all
01:19:46 The push against critical thinking in Orthodox Judaism
01:21:49 How Dainy is doing now
01:23:07 Linda, listen
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Chapter Marks
00:02:51 What Leah's book is about
00:04:02 Leah's upbringing as a Hasidic Jew
00:08:15 When Leah realized she was attracted to other girls
00:09:29 Leah turning her pain into comedy from a young age
00:15:34 Crossing boundaries within her community and become famous within
00:18:48 Outed and fired on the spot from her English teaching job of 13 years
00:20:55 Leah loses her relationship with her mother
00:22:36 Does Leah currently have a relationship with her father?
00:26:18 Leah addresses being cut off by her parents
00:28:59 Leah talks about her experience being in an arranged marriage
00:33:04 They tried to paint Leah as mentally unstable and take her child away from her
00:37:39 How Leah rebuilt her confidence after being turned down
00:42:25 How Leah is doing now
00:44:46 Linda, Listen.
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Born into a strict Ultra Orthodox family and the daughter of a Rabbi, Chasya’s life was under complete control. In this 2nd part to her interview, we discuss the shady dealings of the community with law enforcement, judges, hit men, reproductive coercion, internalized misogyny, s*xual distortion and more.
Watch PT 1 of Chasya's interview here: youtu.be/ovc3ZJKQoYE?si=ce4rZqrVCFKxXbzW
Catch her on Soft White Underbelly: youtu.be/fzLtyqje3DY?si=MoKSeVkTv3r78GBV
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:46 How a Mormon missionary was able to get passed Hasidic security and share a moment of comfort with Chasya
00:11:45 A Mormon missionary's promise to protect Chasya and how it reassured her
00:15:51 CW: Marital R*pe, Misscarr*age - The harmful teachings of purity culture; the way it effects Hasidic Jews for their whole life
00:18:46 CW: Marital R*pe
00:22:33 CW: Misscarr*age
00:24:52 CW: pedophel*a Hasidic men and how they weaponize Jewish law against their wives
00:26:12 CW: pedophel*a
00:27:05 The withholding of a Jewish divorce
00:29:22 Mothers having their chiIdren taken away from them by the Jewish courts
00:34:11 Lack of consistent resources for women who decide to leave
00:39:41 Why Hasidic women stay in ab*sive marriages
00:43:06 Hasidic men trapped in marriages getting their pleasure elsewhere
00:52:33 Are toys allowed in Hasidic marriages?
00:56:34 Chasya's restrictive community doesn't allow one to explore their s*xual identity
01:02:37 Animal sacr*fice
01:03:39 Chasya didn't receive a secular education
01:04:37 The corrupt courts and police
01:08:56 The power of therapists when healing
01:10:40 Chasya needs your help
01:14:02 Chasya's relationship with her mother now
01:17:12 Chasya's motivation
01:17:29 Linda, listen
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Coming soon in part 2, we will discuss the shady dealings of the community with law enforcement, judges, hit men and more.
Watch PT 2 of Chasya's interview here: youtu.be/pXubXroWvBU?si=QAA4ciib9wFqUt56
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:12 The culture shock of moving from California to the East Coast as a chiId with Ultra Orthodox parents
00:07:14 The secular community of Lakewood angry, Chaysa's father gets mugged and beat*n, fueling his racism
00:11:22 Chasya's chiIdhood as a middle neurodivergent chiId
00:14:49 The effects of girls being separated from boys at an early age
00:16:26 Does Chasya feel like she received an adequate education?
00:18:33 Bloody chickens, animal cru*lty
00:23:26 The terrifying home environment for Chasya
00:28:48 How these communities aren't set up to help neurodivergent chiIdren
00:34:16 Ways that Chasya felt helpless as a chiId
00:35:58 CW: CSA - Chasya story of s*xual ab*se as a chiId
00:43:46 The modesty rules Chasya had to follow as a chiId
00:47:59 Chasya's teenage years, preparing to be in an arranged marriage
00:52:26 How eating d*sorders are common in the communities
00:53:49 Chasya's rough time in Memphis at a boarding house
00:57:51 Chasya goes to Israel
01:02:25 Chasya's abus*ve first boyfriend
01:03:14 Chasya's unhealthy relationship with the Sun
01:05:10 Chasya returns to Lakewood NJ with body piercings and a wild side
01:09:44 Over protective daughters become over protective mothers
01:11:15 Chasya has a gag order
01:12:08 Linda, listen
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At the age of seventeen she was forced out of her home, leaving behind her entire family, and without access to higher education. From her first job as a receptionist at a brokerage firm, she clawed her way up the ladder—rung by rung—in that bastion of male chauvinism: Wall Street. By going to college at night, she achieved her degree in economics from Boston University, and from there, she headed to New York City. With a drive that earned her the moniker “Witch of Wall Street,” she rose from the ranks of research analyst to portfolio manager, where she was responsible for billions of dollars in pension and endowment assets. A turning point in her life was giving birth to twins at the age of forty-five, and she continued forward in her career, becoming a global partner at Invesco. At the turn of the millennium, she left Wall Street behind and embarked on a second career as a corporate board director.
Watch her initial interview here: youtu.be/L36uYaBR7Ww?si=68e6mNqyqgLp_eAZ
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Today, Patricia has had a successful 30-year career in the investment business, culminating as a Global Partner at Invesco, as she he sits on a number of corporate boards and blogs on economic, social, and political issues. Patricia is author of BREAKING GLASS: Tales from the Witch of Wall Street, as well as a previous memoir, Little Sister, where she recounts her time in the cult.
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Chapter Marks
00:02:55 Patricia's daughter helps her realize she grew up in a cult
00:06:23 A small Catholic church becomes isolated and more communally oriented
00:17:47 How chiIdren were isolated even further within the group and some of the rules they were required to follow
00:20:44 Sister Catherine continues to isolate families while breaking the rules herself
00:25:25 A militaristic lifestyle in the countryside of Massachusetts
00:27:06 Restricting outside influences and stripping away individuality
00:30:45 Still nurturing familial connections while under strict rules and job assignments
00:34:28 A matriarchal leader in a patriarchal world and how members were indoctrinated daily
00:39:36 How Patricia's lack of knowledge impacted her understanding of marriage
00:41:17 How Sister Catherine's personal beliefs directly influenced the lives of many
00:44:41 Patricia's meeting with Sister Catherine about her future
00:50:11 How Patricia felt about leaving and how she views cult like representation in the media
00:55:17 How Patricia was able to succeed on Wall Street after leaving the cult
01:10:42 How other members left before and after Sister Catherine's death
01:14:41 What Patricia's relationship with her family is like today
01:16:28 How Patricia is doing now
01:18:22 Linda, listen
01:18:51 Patricia's plans for more books in the future and her role models
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Ex-Muslim Opens Up About Sex and Islam in Saudi Arabia | The Story of @ApostateAladdin
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An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare Notes ft. @ApostateAladdin
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Mormonism & Islam are WAY too similar | @CultstoConsciousness
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An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare ALL Notes ft. @ApostateAladdin
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:34 Apostate Aladdin's life growing up in Saudi Arabia
00:07:03 How Apostate Aladdin's experiences with non Muslims deviated from what the Quran teaches
00:09:25 Islam: A religion of peace or a religion of violence
00:10:54 How a lack of context surrounding the Quran can lead to Islamic extremism
00:12:43 How beginning to question Islam impacted Apostate Aladdin
00:15:11 Other aspects of the Quran that led Apostate Aladdin to question Islam
00:17:27 When living a strict religious lifestyle doesn't provide answers to questions and doubts
00:21:32 Breaking core doctrine as step in the deconstruction process
00:24:50 Overcorrection after leaving and managing emotions effectively
00:27:41 The importance of having emotional outlets and having a community
00:31:40 Have empathy for those disparaging you
00:33:18 The role of labels and identity when leaving a high demand religion
00:36:49 When the status of someone's personal beliefs is a bigger deal to others than it is to them
00:37:59 Realities of speaking out against Islam and the very real threats that people face
00:42:44 What the justifications are for extreme laws regarding those who leave Islam or speak out about it
00:44:52 How the idea of a perfect Islamic practice can cause harm to others
00:47:09 The importance of nuance and different sects in the discussion of Islam
00:49:44 How Islam is growing so quickly and is on track to surpass Christianity in numbers
00:52:41 How identity and taking your time to find your identity after leaving Islam is important
00:54:07 How Apostate Aladdin chose his name
00:54:57 Advice for those who are leaving a high demand religion
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Raised in a strict Muslim community in Australia, YouTuber Infidel Noodle led a double life for 5 years before making the big decision to leave her parents’ home before marriage. This meant she would be cut off from her family due to disobedience and not fulfilling her role as a woman. When she posted on TikTok about her heartache being ostracized, her video went viral and she decided to remain vocal about the struggles exMuslims face. However, for the safety of her loved ones and herself, she wears a mask to remain anonymous.
Watch her initial interview here: youtu.be/3eSH4716Ck4?si=I5nnJW9-Y3ZLUWNg
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:02 Why Infidel Noodle wears a mask
00:03:59 Reactions Noodle has received for speaking out on her channel
00:06:35 What it was like for IN growing up in South Africa
00:07:39 Life in New Zealand
00:10:12 The changes a young IN experienced once her parents introduced fundamentalist Islam into her life
00:11:42 How the modesty requirements increased
00:14:52 The changes IN experienced when she moved to Australia
00:18:10 Did IN push back on the strict rules with her parents?
00:20:42 Studying the scripture is what made IN want to leave Islam
00:26:13 Infidel Noodle would hide her "regular" clothes in the car
00:29:18 Finally, after 5 years, IN told her boyfriend about her double life
00:29:58 The tense time IN got spotted outside wearing shorts
00:31:50 At 20, IN decided she didn't want to live her double life anymore
00:33:56 The falling out Infidel Noodle had with her parents
00:38:54 IN planed her escape
00:41:10 Leaving the community behind
00:43:19 Infidel Noodle posts to TikTok and goes viral
00:47:34 How IN's siblings responded to her leaving Islam
00:52:13 The de*th threats IN gets
00:56:28 What made Infidel Noodle start a YouTube channel to speak out further?
00:58:54 Is IN worried about people finding out her identity?
01:00:31 The consequences of leaving Islam
01:03:48 What brings Infidel Noodle joy now?
01:05:24 linda, listen
01:07:41 Why Aisha goes by "Infidel Noodle"
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:45 Zara's Strict Upbringing in Tanzania
00:06:45 Zara's Desire for More in Life
00:09:58 Strict Rules of Zara's Childhood
00:14:24 Hijab Wearing Practices in Zara's Community
00:15:54 The Influence of Islamic Culture in Tanzania
00:26:51 Zara's father changes his mind last minute about her moving out
00:28:57 Zara's New Experiences as a College Student
00:31:44 How Zara felt like breaking former rules
00:34:31 Learning about s*x from magazines
00:38:44 Zara's terrifying jump out of the comfort zone
00:41:07 Zara's face to face confrontation with a gay man
00:42:44 Zara Begins Receiving Threats for Speaking Up on Social Media
00:48:58 Why Tanzania police unexpectedly arrested Zara
00:53:42 Zara's experience with the corrupt police of Tanzania
00:57:34 CW: Attempted SA in Tanzanian Jail
01:00:48 Zara escaped charges but couldn't leave the country
01:02:54 Zara's family got de@th threats after leaked messages
01:06:44 Tanzanian cult leaders are HOW rich?!
01:09:11 What is the "Faithless Hijabi?"
01:14:40 Precautions Zara Takes for Her Safety
01:16:06 How Zara is doing now
01:18:15 Linda, Listen
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watch her initial full interview here: youtu.be/r4ZEkjtuWrc
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Speaking out on social media as an artist and ExMuslim Atheist, her art is a collection of haram (forbidden) doodles that advocate in solidarity with other courageous ExMuslims who’ve left Islam as a protest of Islam's strict restrictions. Her hopes are to spread the word about Ex-Muslim Awareness Month this December.
Watch her initial interview here: youtu.be/ks4BhgrF4-c
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00:03:26 Haram's life growing up as a child to immigrant parents and a Muslim
00:06:21 Planting seeds of doubt with the dinosaurs
00:08:38 Haram's teen years living with cognitive dissonance and finding ways to grow socially
00:10:58 What pun*shments looked like for Haram growing up
00:11:53 Haram's anxiety about doing the wrong thing and the pressure to answer to a higher power
00:14:27 How learning about other religions gave Haram some perspective on the world
00:16:24 The differences between how men and women are treated in Islam
00:20:45 What the Quran says about women and how Haram felt about it before and after college
00:23:47 How purity culture and modesty rules in Islam are viewed as protection for women
00:27:47 Haram's experience with facing marriage early, how college allowed her to put it off, and the rules she faced around going to school
00:30:23 Religious reasoning for young women and girls getting married
00:33:31 Studying the Quran in college from a professor who was also a Muslim
00:38:01 How women inflict gender roles onto themselves under the influence of Islam
00:40:37 How did Haram's mother feel about her role as a Muslim woman
00:43:22 Shaming others for not practicing Islam
00:43:46 Figuring out what is means to be an American Muslim
00:44:07 Figuring out what is means to be an American Muslim
00:46:07 The lack of support and shaming from Haram's family for not following a Muslim lifestyle
00:48:12 The difficulties of a lack of individuality for Muslim women
00:49:29 TW: Su*cidal ideation
00:51:51 How Haram met her husband and why she started Haram Doodles
00:57:39 What Haram Doodles has done for Haram and her followers
01:00:08 How Haram's drawings can help activate a person's critical thinking in a softer way
01:03:03 Finding bravery in her work as an artist
01:05:01 Haram's moment of freedom in Norway
01:11:54 Truly listening and seeing ex-Muslims for who they are and not for their choice to leave Islam and ex-Muslim awareness month
01:14:22 How Haram is doing now
01:16:22 Taking back power over your own body
01:19:38 Linda, listen
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:56 Growing up in a Hasidic neighborhood in Brooklyn and falling in love with other girls as a teen
00:05:57 Sara grapples with who she has been taught God is, Jewish law, and her actions
00:07:32 Keeping an open heart and connecting to the story with your own struggles
00:08:27 How marriage classes surprised Sara and the emphasis on the holiness of consummation
00:12:20 How a lack of s*x education led to confusion and an invasion of privacy from the Rabbi
00:18:52 What Sara's first pregnancy was like and her complicated feelings afterwards TW: m*scarriage
00:22:06 The differences between m*scarrying a girl fetus and a boy fetus
00:23:40 Sara's husband takes the rules even further
00:25:49 What it was like giving birth without her husband in a secular hospital as a Hasidic Jewish woman
00:27:22 What the rules for birth control were in Sara's community
00:30:44 Gender roles in the Hasidic community and how the community is built around them
00:34:16 Mental health in this Hasidic community and Sara's fight for higher education
00:39:21 More rules around giving birth
00:42:48 What does Sara wish the medical staff would have done differently?
00:45:36 Sara's experience in college learning about the LGBTQ+ community
00:48:49 How Sara's social work classes applied to her own life TW: Marital r*pe
00:50:56 Rules for men around s*x
00:52:52 Divorce in the Hasidic community and the conditions Sara had to agree to to be granted one
00:56:20 Sara finally feels like she's in her own body
00:59:42 Sara expands her horizons in the secular world before remarrying
01:05:28 What did the Rabbis say about the LGBTQ+ community and men vs women
01:07:36 Sara finally decides to live an authentic life
01:12:20 What it means to leave a Hasidic community and the difficulties Sara faced
01:13:07 What Sara's relationship with her family is like today
01:14:31 What Sara's chosen community looks like now
01:17:26 Future writing endeavors
01:18:42 Linda, listen
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Watch her interview, then come back to ask her questions live
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:53 What led Dr. Jules to seek yoga and meditation
00:11:21 Dr. Jules' chiIdhood and religious background
00:16:23 Dr. Jules goes to her Kundalini yoga class
00:17:46 True Kundalini yoga vs Kundalini yoga in LA
00:21:08 How this style of Kundalini yoga came to be
00:30:10 How Yogi Bhajan's teachings were manipulative and controlling
00:33:12 Yogi Bhajan's teachings get passed down to the next generation of teachers and across the globe
00:38:47 How the culture of LA and Yogi Bhajan's version of Kundalini yoga created the perfect storm
00:44:43 How the ab*se of Yogi Bhajan is enmeshed with his style of Kundalini yoga
00:50:18 The expectation of women being with other women in the teachings and White Tantric Yoga
00:55:03 Sikhism and Guru Jagat
00:55:58 Hari Jiwan and his wife begin teaching classes
01:01:02 Hari Jiwan's inner circle
01:04:09 Dr. Jules' mental wellbeing after 8 years in the cult and what made her finally leave
01:16:13 How Dr. Jules got to be where she is today
01:23:37 How her naturopathic education aided her deconstruction and understanding of what she went through
01:25:22 Linda, listen
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:45 Rama's history and how he came to be in the United States and converted to Christianity
00:06:39 Michele's early life in the cult
00:08:39 Early memories from the cult and their lasting effects
00:12:03 What it was like living in the compound and ways in which food was used in harmful ways
00:12:49 TW: Michele was tortured as a chiIId, having to eat her own vomit
00:18:56 How Rama would pit chiIdren and families against each other
00:22:25 TW: Psychological and physical ab*se
00:28:07 What going to public school was like for Michele and how the other chiIdren and teachers treated her
00:30:48 Michele's inconsistent schooling and how it effected her later on
00:33:59 Michele's final straw to leave the church and the repercussions for defying Rama
00:39:21 How Michele's mother's relationship with her chiIdren and the church changed after Michele left
00:42:11 How Michele's mom's devotion to Rama added to the ab*se
00:44:25 TW: Physical ab*se
00:45:52 Rama's control over parents led to Michele's parentification
00:50:42 Physically leaving the cult, mentally still following Rama
00:52:18 How mental health was viewed in the cult
00:54:37 How Michele handled parenthood after her trauma
00:56:50 Michele's experience in therapy and what helped her to find healing
00:59:56 Michele's symptoms of PTSD
01:05:51 Michele uses energy healing practices to cut ties with Rama
01:11:33 What Michele believes now
01:12:04 How Michele is doing now
01:16:05 Linda, listen
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:07 What is the Rama cult, and why do people follow him?
00:07:23 Shifrah's family lived there and was heavily involved
00:08:40 ChiId labor on the compound
00:15:32 CW: Physical Ab*se- What the Shawano kids saw
00:20:43 There was a clear familial hierarchy which controlled how people were treated
00:21:36 CW: CSA- The various kinds of ab*se happening
00:24:52 CW:CSA- Rama pushing the men to little girls...
00:26:21 CW: CSA- rampant ab*se that led to chiIdren playing "doctor" with each other
00:32:10 Re-learning to trust her body after CSA
00:33:35 How Rama got parents to hurt their own chiIdren
00:36:58 CW: DV & CA
00:39:58 Shifrah "rebels" by starting a posse to protect chiIdren from adults
00:45:36 What led to Shifrah getting kicked out of her house
01:00:45 How Shifrah was able to go to high school
01:01:41 Shifrah's life falls apart after her first husband passes away
01:05:08 Shifrah's biological parents want a relationship with her
01:06:54 Shifrah processes everything that happened to her, and advocates against the cult now
01:16:05 What brings Shifrah joy now
01:18:09 Linda, listen
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:05 Kahlia's family dynamic growing up
00:05:29 Kahlia's father's rules with purity culture
00:08:55 Kahlia's father didn't allow her to have any friends
00:10:28 Kahlia's home school experience
00:12:56 The different religious beliefs Kahlia's father thought was the true way
00:14:42 Kahlia's hairstyle was controlled by her father
00:16:37 TW: Kahlia's father threat*ned their lives by kn*fepoint whenever her mom tried to take them and leave
00:19:21 Kahlia's father told her she'd be responsible for breaking up the family if she spoke out
00:23:35 Kahlia's father would bully her
00:25:08 TW: walking in while undressing, groping, SA
00:26:30 TW: CSA (father forces a tampon when Kahlia is 11)
00:29:33 TW: CSA (17 years old)
00:32:06 TW: SA (the last incident that made Kahlia leave for good)
00:37:36 What motivated Kahlia to get out of the abus*ve situation
00:39:48 Kahlia's family's negative reaction to her dating her now husband
00:43:38 Na na's parting words to Kahlia
00:45:00 What it was like acclimating to a new life outside of control
00:54:56 What brings Kahlia joy now
00:57:27 Linda, listen
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Born and raised in the insidious cult, Elisabeth Gronval and her 8 other siblings went through hell at the hands of the leader. He would isolate and torture chiIdren with hard manual labor, disturbing physical punishments and verbal ab*se. Elisabeth was publicly humiliated when her home was ransacked at the leader’s command and extremely private belongings were passed around to hundreds of members. Excommunicated from her church and her family, she was left alone to navigate an unknown world.
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Email: hopestarts1999@gmail.com
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Chapter Marks:
00:00:00 Intro
00:05:07 Who is Rama Behera and why do people follow him?
00:08:16 Elisabeth and her family traveled to the compound every weekend for his sermons
00:09:48 The torture that Elisabeth witnessed
00:13:16 In Rama's mind, what was meriting this type of torture to chiIdren?
00:17:04 Some of Elisabeth's chiIdhood memories in the cult
00:20:37 Were parents isolated and kept away from seeing the chiIdren tortured?
00:21:47 What was Rama saying to convince people he had authority?
00:27:25 Sticking out like a sore thumb in public school
00:29:19 Why Elisabeth started to "rebel" in her teen years
00:38:15 What made Elisabeth want to escape?
00:43:03 The beginning of when it seemed it was time for Elisabeth to leave
00:48:11 Elisabeth going back and meeting Rama's wrath (he shared n*de photos of her to everyone)
00:56:35 Elisabeth's final escape
01:01:44 When Elisabeth's family decided to leave the cult
01:04:45 Elisabeth opens up about her father and his vulnerabilities
01:10:19 Elisabeth feels Rama has mental illness
01:14:31 Has Rama seen consequence?
01:19:35 What brings Elisabeth joy now?
01:27:25 Linda, listen
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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Catch Shelise on Alyssa’s channel where they discuss soaking and other loopholes:
youtu.be/rde9A9ebbxs?si=dNHWZ-nK46lLYafM
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:05:41 How Mormonism impacted Alyssa's childhood and her personal relationships and led her to BYU
00:10:44 BYU as a symbol of Mormon culture and a goal for those outside of Utah
00:15:58 Rules at BYU that prevent students from taking tests and forming connections with other students
00:22:24 Threats of degree revocation as a control tactic to keep students within the honor code boundaries
00:25:57 The impact of BYU surveillance and the honor code on victims
00:28:10 Alyssa begins to experience dissonance with her faith and personal beliefs at BYU
00:33:58 How missionaries are viewed in Mormon culture and how it coerces LDS members to serve
00:42:03 Alyssa's personal revelation from God... that contradicts the church
00:48:10 Alyssa's first experience in the temple and how it impacted her mission
00:58:14 The implications of going through the temple and then cancelling your mission
00:59:54 The isolation of a Mormon mission
01:07:51 How the church promotes religious OCD to its missionaries
01:10:22 How Alyssa's mission affected her mental health in the field and when she came home
01:15:16 Living with a hoarder as a missionary and how the church deemed those to be adequate conditions
01:19:51 What the consequences were to raising concerns about improper housing
01:26:04 How the goal of worthiness keeps missionaries in line and in potentially harmful environments
01:28:44 Baptism quotas, avoiding certain questions and omitting the truth while trying to convert
01:32:33 When numbers get in the way of actually helping those in need
01:35:36 Why Alyssa regrets her mission
01:39:19 What to do when you meet a Mormon missionary
01:43:49 Linda, listen
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Now, Martha is a certified life/health coach, spiritual mentor specializing in trauma. She’s an Amazon Best Selling International Author, a dynamic speaker, and a skilled healing facilitator. As a cult survivor, she finds purpose and passion in leading healing retreats/workshops for others who have survived Cults or other high-controlled groups and their communities. Because she knows intimately the challenges of reclaiming one's identity outside the constraints of the cult culture, she’s dedicated to assisting individuals seeking to reclaim their lives in order to thrive in their own journey towards self-discovery and divine fulfillment.
Martha is building a platform (Cult-X) for those interested in connecting in a safe space to share experiences and find healing. Cult-X is a hub for resources, community, workshop/retreat opportunities, and group sharing. For more information, email Martha at martha@cult-x.org
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/martha-kartaoui-a7840b291
Website: cult-x.org
Book: Glory: Going All In amzn.to/3XLGyLs
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Twitter @cultstocon
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Chapter Marks
00:00:00 Intro
00:05:39 What made this cult and its leader so appealing to Martha's family
00:08:30 When giving other people power becomes dangerous
00:10:01 Rules cult members had to live by and ways in which they were controlled
00:12:13 Feeling disconnected from society and lacking personal identity
00:12:51 Where Martha's family lived in relation to the compound and how it made a difference in their lives
00:14:37 What services were like in the compound
00:18:44 TW: Physical ab*se within the cult and how it was hidden from parents
00:20:54 Dynamics in the cult
00:24:22 TW: SA - Cult Man's response and inappropriate questioning of Martha being taken advantage of
00:27:34 How Martha and other members were able to justify Cult Man's behavior
00:29:12 Martha explores her own identity as a teenager and how living two lives brought trouble
00:32:03 How discipline and parenting was handled in this group
00:33:14 How did Martha feel when Cult Man invited her to live at the compound?
00:34:43 TW: ED - What the living conditions were like at the compound and the beginning of Martha's "diet"
00:36:24 Cult Man's reasoning behind Martha's "diet"
00:41:34 Martha's family is shocked when they see Martha at Thanksgiving
00:46:33 How Cult Man's fear tactics stopped Martha's family from saying anything
00:47:49 Martha's first experience leaving the cult and what made her ask Cult Man for forgiveness
00:51:09 The drastic ways Martha was able to redeem and cleanse herself after returning
00:56:11 The driving force behind Cult Man's sadistic ways
00:57:26 How Martha gained responsibility in the cult and managed the cult-owned store
01:00:02 An elderly customer at the cult-owned store impacts Martha's life for good
01:02:35 How PaPa and Martha's sister helped Martha find the strength to leave the cult
01:08:15 How Martha reacts to finally being in a safe environment
01:14:28 Martha begins to realize how much she matters and starts her healing journey
01:19:52 Martha's goals to help others leaving high control groups
01:24:48 Listen, Linda
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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