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Eric Holder’s plan to save democracy | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2019-01-14 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleEric Holder was attorney general during the first six years of Barack Obama’s presidency, and there are days when it feels like he’s the attorney general of Obama’s post-presidency, too. Holder chairs the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, a cause close enough to Obama’s heart that the ex-president recently folded his Organizing for America operation into it.Holder calls the project “a partisan effort for good government,” a line rich with both the promise and problems of Obamaism. The NDRC doesn’t want to build a redistricting operation to match the GOP’s machine, they want to take redistricting out of the hands of politicians altogether. But critics worry that their organizing will work in blue states, fail in red states, and lead to Democrats unilaterally disarming in the redistricting wars.In this conversation, Holder lays out his strategy to end redistricting and answers his critics. We discuss whether there’s still the possibility of a Supreme Court ruling on the subject, and what tools Democrats have in red states. We also revisit Holder’s famous “nation of cowards” speech on race, and discuss whether more bankers should’ve been sent to jail during the financial crisis. Enjoy!Book Recommendations:An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy, 1917 - 1963 by Robert Dallekamazon.com/Unfinished-Life-John-Kennedy-1917/dp/0316907928/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1547069587&sr=8-2&keywords=an+unfinished+lifeThe Collected Poems of Langston Hughes by Langston Hughesamazon.com/Collected-Langston-Hughes-Vintage-Classics/dp/0679764089/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1547069741&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=the+collected+poems+of+langston+hughes&psc=11944: FDR and the Year That Changed History by Jay Winikamazon.com/1944-Year-That-Changed-History-ebook/dp/B00P434HS4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547069805&sr=8-1&keywords=1944+jay+winikEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Anil Dash on the biases of tech | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2019-01-07 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsle“Marc Andreessen famously said that ‘software is eating the world,’ but it’s far more accurate to say that the neoliberal values of software tycoons are eating the world,” wrote Anil Dash.Dash’s argument caught my eye. But then, a lot of Dash’s arguments catch my eye. He’s one of the most perceptive interpreters and critics of the tech industry around these days. That’s in part because Dash is part of the world he’s describing: He’s the CEO of Glitch, the host of the excellent tech podcast Function, and a longtime developer and blogger.In this conversation, Dash and I discuss his excellent list of the 12 things everyone should know about technology. This episode left me with an idea I didn’t have going in: What if the problem with a lot of the social technologies we use — and, lately, lament — isn’t the ethics of their creators or the revenue models they’re built on, but the sheer scale they’ve achieved? What if products like Facebook and Twitter and Google have just gotten too big and too powerful for anyone to truly understand, much less manage?You know the topics that obsess me on this podcast. Polarization. Identity. Attention. I’ve come to believe that all of them are downstream from the technologies on which they rest. If you feel like society has gone a bit wrong, it’s likely because the internet has gone a bit wrong. And Dash’s arguments help explain why.Book Recommendations:Respect: The Life of Aretha Franklin by David Ritzamazon.com/Respect-Aretha-Franklin-David-Ritz/dp/0316196819/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1546634998&sr=8-1&keywords=david+ritzPrince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions: 1983 and 1984 by Duane Tudahlamazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538105497/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1546635180&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=Dwayne+tudallEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
TEDs Chris Anderson on the lessons of listening | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-12-20 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleYou know TED. Black stage, red accents, wireless mic, one speaker. Billions of views each year. TED is more than a conference now; it’s a meme: “Thanks for coming to my TED talk” closes Tumblr and Twitter posts.Chris Anderson is the guy that took TED from tiny conference to global juggernaut. Today, he’s TED’s chief curator and the host of the TED Interview podcast. But I wanted him on the show for something specific — his success with TED relied on answering two questions this podcast has left me obsessed with:1. How do you convince an audience, or even yourself, to listen openly to what’s being said?2. How do you find ideas, research, and activists that the media is otherwise overlooking?In this conversation, Anderson offers a visual I love: "the steel door of skepticism" that can slam down on us when we know we don't want to listen to what we're about to hear. How to get control of that door is a topic worth meditating on, and it's the focus of this podcast.Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Rep. Katie Porter on how capitalism is failing | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-12-17 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleKatie Porter is the Rep.-elect from California’s 45th District, which happens to be the district I grew up in. She’s part of the brigade of Democrats who turned Orange County blue for the first time since the Great Depression. But that’s not why I asked her on the show. I asked her on the show because she’s one of the most interesting members of the incoming House majority.Porter grew up on an Iowa farm, watching the debt crises of the ’80s devastate her family and her region. At Harvard Law, she took the class of a particularly charismatic professor whom you might have heard of: Elizabeth Warren. That class changed Porter’s life.Porter’s academic work explores how rarely markets work the way they’re supposed to, and how often banks and other lenders play by different rules than the law says they need to. In 2012, then-state Attorney General Kamala Harris appointed Porter to be California’s independent monitor of banks, where she saw the lengths they went to to avoid abiding by the settlements they’d signed.In this conversation, Porter and I talk about how all this informed her path to Congress, why she thinks Americans are losing faith in capitalism, whether the Obama administration failed homeowners in the aftermath of the subprime mortgage collapse, and why lenders are always making you fax them documents (the answer is, honestly, infuriating).I know, I know, interviews with politicians are often a bit bland. Trust me. This isn’t one of those.Recommended books:Evicted by Matthew Desmondamazon.com/Evicted-Poverty-Profit-American-City/dp/0553447459Denial by Jessica Sternamazon.com/Denial-Memoir-P-S-Jessica-Stern/dp/B008SLFTEKLonesome Dove Larry McMurtryamazon.com/Lonesome-Dove-Novel-Larry-McMurtry/dp/1439195269/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1544818358&sr=1-1&keywords=Lonesome+DoveNotes from our sponsors:* LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/EKS-PopEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
How Hasan Minhaj is reinventing political comedy | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-12-17 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIn Patriot Act, Hasan Minhaj’s new Netflix show, he does three things political comedians often don’t do. First, he makes political comedy personal. Second, he makes it visual. And third, he makes it last.Minhaj was the last correspondent hired by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show. Since then, he’s hosted the 2017 White House Correspondents Dinner, debuted the critically-acclaimed special Homecoming King, and now, with the new show, he’s creating a unique space in the post-Stewart world.In this conversation, we talk about what Minhaj learned from Stewart, what political comedians owe their audiences, and whether creativity requires safe spaces. We also nerd out on process: how he writes his jokes, the difficulty of knowing what you actually think amidst so much noise and so many takes, and how it changes the editorial process when you know people will be watching what you produce a year from now. And most importantly, I force Minhaj to answer for his many, many slurs against my beloved UC Santa Cruz.This is definitely a conversation: Minhaj turns the tables on me more than once. And don’t miss the end, when Minhaj explains his three favorite stand-up specials.Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/EKS-ShipEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Peter Beinart on anti-Semitism in America and illiberalism in Israel | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-29 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThis is a conversation I’ve been putting off, if I’m being honest. I can’t hold it from the safe space of journalistic distance. It’s about the strange, vulnerable space that many Jews, myself included, find themselves in today.The first part of this conversation is about being Jewish at a time of rising anti-Semitism in the Western world. The October massacre at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue was the worst act of anti-Semitic violence ever committed on American soil. In 2017, Charlottesville, Virginia, protesters waved torches while chanting “Jews will not replace us.” It’s often said that anti-Semitism is a light sleeper. It feels like it’s stirring.The second, and separate, part of this conversation is about Israel. The peace movement in the Jewish state has collapsed, and the country has decided a repressive illiberalism is the best guarantor of safety. They’ve found plenty of allies on the American right for that project, but it’s one that shreds the humanistic and pluralistic ideals that many diaspora Jews, myself included, believe in.All of this is coming at a time that has reminded many of us of the core lessons of Judaism: the importance of remembering what it’s like to be a stranger in a strange land, of knowing that bigotry takes whatever forms it requires to justify itself, of maintaining humanity amid struggle.Peter Beinart is an associate professor of journalism and political science at the City University of New York. He’s also a columnist at the Atlantic and the Forward, a CNN contributor, and author of The Crisis of Zionism. He’s a thoughtful and courageous writer on these issues, and I’m grateful he joined me for this conversation.Recommended books:Covenant & Conversation series by Rabbi Jonathan Sacksamazon.com/Covenant-Conversation-Genesis-Book-Beginnings/dp/1592640206Spiritual Radical: Abraham Joshua Heschel in America by Edward Kaplanamazon.com/Spiritual-Radical-Abraham-Heschel-1940-1972/dp/030015139X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543361677&sr=1-1&keywords=Spiritual+RadicalThe Captive Mind by Czeslaw Miloszamazon.com/Captive-Mind-Czeslaw-Milosz/dp/0679728562/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543361719&sr=1-1&keywords=the+captive+mindEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Where Jonathan Haidt thinks the American mind went wrong | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-26 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleJonathan Haidt is a psychologist at New York University and the co-founder of Heterodox University. His book The Righteous Mind, which describes the different moral frameworks that animate the left and the right, was a key influence on my work. But these days, Haidt is worried about something new."Teen anxiety, depression, and suicide rates have risen sharply in the last few years," he writes in The Coddling of the American Mind, co-authored with Greg Lukianoff. "The culture on many college campuses has become more ideologically uniform, compromising the ability of scholars to seek truth, and of students to learn from a broad range of thinkers."The kids, in other words, aren't all right. Haidt sees a generation warped by overparenting and smartphones and flirting with illiberalism. He worries over a culture of "safetyism" that confuses disagreement with violence. He sees political correctness on campus as a threat not just to speakers' incomes, but to students' psyches.I often find myself a skeptic in this conversation. The panic over campus activism seems overblown to me. It's suffused with bad-faith efforts to nationalize isolated examples of college kids behaving badly in order to discredit serious critiques of social injustice. But that's why I wanted to have Haidt on the show: If anyone could convince me I'm wrong about this, it'd be him.Recommended Books:Meditations by Marcus Aureliusamazon.com/Meditations-Thrift-Editions-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/048629823XHow to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegieamazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034The Authoritarian Dynamic by Karen Stenneramazon.com/Authoritarian-Dynamic-Cambridge-Political-Psychology/dp/052153478XEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Molly Ball on Nancy Pelosi’s future and Paul Ryan’s failure | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-19 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThe midterm elections are being interpreted almost entirely as a referendum on President Donald Trump. But it was also a referendum on Paul Ryan’s speakership, which drove Trump’s domestic policy agenda, and Nancy Pelosi’s opposition strategy.In its aftermath, the two parties need to work through a very different question. How do Republicans understand the failure of Ryan’s brief speakership, which managed to betray key promises (like cutting the debt) while crafting an agenda so unpopular that House Democrats ran more ads about Ryan’s plans than Trump’s words?On the Democratic side, Pelosi’s strategy won the day — but she’s still facing significant opposition from within her caucus. She’ll likely be the next speaker of the House, but what kind of speaker will she be? How will her style have to change for this era in the Democratic Party?Molly Ball is Time’s national political correspondent and one of the sharpest analysts, and best reporters, around today. I always feel like I have a much better handle on the deep forces of American politics after talking to her, and this conversation was no exception.Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Whitney Phillips explains how Trump controls the media | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-15 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleHere’s a fun fact: The best training for understanding the president’s media strategy is to have studied internet trolls for years and years.Okay, maybe that fact wasn’t so fun. Maybe it’s incredibly depressing.At any rate, Whitney Phillips did exactly that. She was one of the earliest scholars of online trolling (yes, that’s a job). She was studying trolling when it was a tiny sideshow. And she was there, studying it, as online trolling got amplified by algorithmic platforms and a click-hungry media. As Gamergate made it a political movement. Then, most importantly, she was there, watching, as the media manipulation tactics that she had seen perfected by the trolls became the playbook for how Trump controls the media’s agenda and the national conversation.I’m in the media. I’m inside this machine looking out. It can be hard, from the inside, to understand what the hell is happening. But Phillips is outside the machine looking in. And she understands, better than anyone I’ve talked to, what’s gone wrong, and how hard it will be to fix.Recommended books:Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postmanamazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-Discourse-Business/dp/014303653X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1542235694&sr=1-1&keywords=amusing+ourselves+to+deathAlgorithms of Oppression by Safiya Nobleamazon.com/Algorithms-Oppression-Search-Engines-Reinforce/dp/1479837245Custodians of the Internet by Tarleton Gillespieamazon.com/Custodians-Internet-Platforms-Moderation-Decisions/dp/030017313X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1542235519&sr=1-1&keywords=custodians+of+the+internetEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Ask Ezra Anything | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-12 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleYou had questions. Smart, interesting questions. Questions about the zero-sum logic of markets, about whether compromise is possible or even desirable in today’s politics, about where the left goes too far, about local vs. national politics, about how to break into journalism, about Sam Harris and the “Intellectual Dark Web,” about deep work, about spirituality and politics, tribalism and democracy, and whose job it is to persuade racists, anyway.I have, well, not answers, exactly, but thoughts. Musings. Reflections. This is the long-awaited AMA episode. I’m joined by Vox’s master of interviews, Sean Illing, who agreed to make sure I wasn’t weaseling away from the hard questions or completely missing the point.This was a lot of fun. Hope you enjoy it.Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Presidents in crisis with Slow Burn’s Leon Neyfakh | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-08 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleSlow Burn is one of my favorite podcasts of the past few years. Its first season, on Watergate, relived the confusion, chaos, and strangeness of the Richard Nixon presidency’s collapse. Its second season, on Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky and the surrounding allegations of sexual harassment and even assault, demanded a reckoning with one of the Democratic Party’s living icons.But where some histories use the past to comfort, Leon Neyfakh, Slow Burn’s host and creator, uses it to complicate: His show raises hard questions about presidential corruption, political accountability, public morality, and the partisan mind.This podcast was recorded before the midterm elections. For my take on the elections, head over to the latest episode of The Weeds. But if you want a conversation about whether liberals need to reassess Bill Clinton, whether Watergate would’ve been punished by a Republican Congress, and what all this teaches us about Donald Trump’s presidency, you’re in the right place.Recommended books:Quick Studies: The Best of Lingua Franca ed. by Alexander Staramazon.com/Quick-Studies-Best-Lingua-Franca/dp/0374528632A Wilderness of Error by Errol Morrisamazon.com/Wilderness-Error-Trials-Jeffrey-MacDonald/dp/0143123696/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541606367&sr=1-1&keywords=the+wilderness+of+errorThe Crime of Sheila McGough by Janet Malcolmamazon.com/Crime-Sheila-McGough-Janet-Malcolm/dp/0375704590/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541606438&sr=1-4&keywords=the+crime+of+janet+malcolmEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Sandy Darity has a plan to close the wealth gap | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-06 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleHere’s something to consider: For families in which the lead earner has a college degree, the average white family has $180,500 in wealth. The average black family? $23,400. That’s a difference of almost $160,000 — $160,000 that could be used to send a kid to college, get through an illness, start a small business, or make a down payment on a home that builds wealth for the next generation, too.Sandy Darity is an economist at Duke University, and much of his work has focused on the racial wealth gap, and how to close it. He’s a pioneer of “stratification economics” — a branch of study that takes groups seriously as economic units and thinks hard about how group incentives change our behavior and drive our decisions.In this podcast, we talk about stratification economics, as well as Darity’s idea of “baby bonds”: assets that would build to give poor children up to $50,000 in wealth by the time they become adults, which would, in turn, give them a chance to invest in themselves or their future the same way children from richer families do. Think of it as a plan for universal basic wealth — and people are listening: Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ), a past guest on this show, recently released a plan to closely tracked Darity’s proposal.I know, I know, the election is in a day. But right now, we don’t know who will win. So how about spending some time thinking about what someone who actually wanted to ease problems like wealth inequality could do if they did have power?Recommended books:Caste, Class, and Race by Oliver Coxamazon.com/Caste-Class-Race-Social-Dynamics/dp/0853451168Capitalism and Slavery by Eric Williamsamazon.com/Capitalism-Slavery-Eric-Williams/dp/0807844888/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541171250&sr=1-1&keywords=capitalism+and+slavery+eric+williamsBlack Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. DuBoisamazon.com/Black-Reconstruction-America-1860-1880-Burghardt/dp/0684856573/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541171287&sr=1-3&keywords=dubois+black+reconstructionEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
How identity politics elected Donald Trump | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-11-01 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIdentity Crisis is the most important book written on the 2016 election. Based on reams of data covering virtually every controversy, theory, and explanation for the outcome, it settles many of the debates that have raged over the past two years.More importantly, it offers a framework for thinking about American politics in this era. The authors — political scientists John Sides, Michael Tesler, and Lynn Vavreck — show how identity drives American politics, why our political identities are getting stronger and angrier, and how the Obama and Trump eras have changed our parties and made conflict more irresolvable.Only some of the conversations I have on this show really change how I think about politics, but this was one of them. Don’t miss it.Recommended books: Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right by Arlie Russell Hochschildamazon.com/Strangers-Their-Own-Land-Mourning/dp/1620973499/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541020380&sr=1-1&keywords=strangers+in+their+own+land+by+arlie+russell+hochschildDivided by Color by Donald Kinderamazon.com/Divided-Color-Politics-Democratic-Political/dp/0226435741/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541020248&sr=1-1&keywords=Divided+by+ColorThe American Voter by Angus Campbell, Philip E. Converse, Warren E. Miller, and Donald E. Stokes amazon.com/American-Voter-Angus-Campbell/dp/0226092542Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Rep. Mark Sanford on losing the Republican Party to Donald Trump Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-29 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleMark Sanford was elected to Congress in 1994, where he quickly established himself as one of the most conservative members of the chamber. In 2002, he was elected governor of South Carolina. He was, again, one of the most conservative elected officials in the country. Many expected him to be the GOP’s nominee against Obama in 2012.Then it all happened. The disappearance. “Hiking the Appalachian trail.” Sanford left public life. He was done, it seemed. And then he wasn’t. He won a House seat in South Carolina. He overcame the kind of scandal that usually destroys a politician.But he couldn’t overcome Trump. Sanford was a rock-ribbed conservative, a Republican, but he was no Trumpist. He accused the president of fanning the flames of intolerance, of being reckless with the truth. He wrote a New York Times op-ed calling on Trump to release his tax returns.Sanford got a primary opponent for his troubles, Trump endorsed her, and Sanford lost. Weeks after Sanford's defeat, Trump appeared before House Republicans and mocked Sanford in front of his colleagues. The president, unusually, was booed.I sat down with Sanford in his final weeks in Congress to talk about what he’s learned about the Republican Party, about Donald Trump, about America, and about himself. Recommended books:Destined for War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides’s Trap? by Graham Allisonamazon.com/Destined-War-America-Escape-Thucydidess/dp/0544935276Fascism: A Warning by Madeleine Albrightamazon.com/Fascism-Warning-Madeleine-Albright/dp/0062802186?crid=2WKF0FPJ93UZO&keywords=fascism+madeleine+albright&qid=1540568518&s=Books&sprefix=fascis%2Cstripbooks%2C131&sr=1-1&ref=sr_1_1The Square and the Tower: Networks and Power, from the Freemasons to Facebook by Niall Fergusonamazon.com/Square-Tower-Networks-Freemasons-Facebook/dp/0735222916?crid=5GK1EHWO1PTL&keywords=niall+ferguson+the+square+and+the+tower&qid=1540568564&s=Books&sprefix=niall+f%2Cstripbooks%2C132&sr=1-1&ref=sr_1_1Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Doris Kearns Goodwin (live!) on how great presidents are made | Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-25 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIf you’ve got a question, Doris Kearns Goodwin has a charming, insightful, well-told presidential anecdote for you. Actually, a couple of them.I interviewed the Pulitzer Prize-winning presidential historian live onstage for the release of her new book, Leadership: In Turbulent Times, and left the building slightly in awe: Some people are truly masterful storytellers, and Goodwin is one of them.In the book, Goodwin examines how Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson became the men we remember. She focuses, in particular, on the periods of suffering that softened them, eras that preceded the soaring leadership etched into history.Threaded through the book’s pages, then, is a lot of pain, a lot of mental illness, a lot of uncertainty. That opened space for a conversation about the recurrent link between the presidency and mental illness, about how Goodwin researches the personal lives of presidents, about who the best analogs to our current president may be, about how history will have to be researched and written differently in an age when few write letters but text constantly.Goodwin makes the humanity of our past vivid enough that it is able to provide ballast, just for a moment, to the inhumanity of our present. Enjoy!Recommended books:The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchmanamazon.com/Guns-August-Pulitzer-Prize-Winning-Outbreak/dp/0345476093War and Peace by Leo Tolstoyamazon.com/War-Peace-Vintage-Classics-Tolstoy/dp/1400079985/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1540388243&sr=1-4&keywords=War+and+PeaceAnna Karenina by Leo Tolstoyamazon.com/Anna-Karenina-Modern-Library-Classics/dp/067978330X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1540388263&sr=1-4&keywords=Anna+KareninaEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
What Nate Silvers learned about forecasting elections | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-22 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThis close to an election, who do I want to hear from? Nate Silver, of course.I sat down with the FiveThirtyEight founder and math wizard to talk about how he builds his forecasting models, what they’re saying about 2018, how big the Democrats’ structural disadvantage in the House and Senate really is, whether there's a purpose to predicting election outcomes, which campaign reporters he reads, and whether Trump is the favorite for 2020.Silver and I also share the experience of building journalism outlets trying to do things a bit differently over the past five years, so we discuss what he’s learned along the way, what he wishes he knew at the beginning, and how he hires.Silver brings unusual clarity and rigor to the topics he focuses on, and right now, given the speed and intensity of the elections news cycle, a bit of rigor is a welcome thing. Enjoy!Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahnemanamazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539967215&sr=1-2&keywords=Thinking+Fast+and+Slow+by+Daniel+KahnemanBad Blood by John Carreyrouamazon.com/Bad-Blood-Secrets-Silicon-Startup/dp/152473165XSuperintelligence by Nick Bostromamazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/0198739834/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539967288&sr=1-1&keywords=Superintelligence+by+Nick+BostromEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Jay Rosen is pessimistic about the media. So am I. | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-18 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThis is a tough conversation. It was a tough one to hold, and it’s a tough one to publish.I’m a journalist. I’ve been a journalist for 15 years. I believe in journalism. But right now, I’m worried we’re failing. I’m worried we’re making American politics worse, not better.That’s not because we're not doing remarkable, courageous, heroic work. It’s not because we’re fake news or biased hacks. Look at the #MeToo movement, the investigations of Donald Trump's finances, the remarkable reporting that journalists do every day from war zones and Ebola outbreaks and authoritarian regimes.It's because everything around us has changed — our business models, the way people read us, the way we compete with each other, the way we’re manipulated — and we’re getting played, particularly in political reporting and commentary, by the outrage merchants and con artists and trolls and polarizers who understand this new world better.President Trump is the most successful media hacker out there, but he’s not the only one. They’re using us as tools to fracture American democracy, and I don’t think we know how to stop them.Jay Rosen is a professor of journalism at New York University and the founder of PressThink. He’s one of our sharpest, clearest critics and interpreters. I asked him on the show to help me think through what’s wrong in the press, and what I’m doing wrong in my own work.Recommended books:Deciding What's News by Herbert Gansamazon.com/Deciding-Whats-News-Newsweek-American/dp/0810122375Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocquevilleamazon.com/Democracy-America-Alexis-Tocqueville/dp/0226805360/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539714428&sr=1-1&keywords=democracy+in+america+alexis+de+tocquevilleExit, Voice, and Loyalty by Albert O. Hirschmanamazon.com/Exit-Voice-Loyalty-Responses-Organizations/dp/0674276604/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539714361&sr=1-1&keywords=exit+voice+and+loyaltyMaking Democracy Work by Robert Putnamamazon.com/Making-Democracy-Work-Traditions-Modern/dp/0691037388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1539714818&sr=8-1&keywords=making+democracy+work+putnamEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Why Bill Gates is worried | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-15 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsle“To put it bluntly,” wrote Bill and Melinda Gates in their foundation’s annual Goalkeepers Report, “decades of stunning progress in the fight against poverty and disease may be on the verge of stalling. This is because the poorest parts of the world are growing faster than everywhere else; more babies are being born in the places where it’s hardest to lead a healthy and productive life.”There is no topic in the philanthropic world more fraught than population growth. The history of efforts to analyze and address it is filled with bad predictions and cruel solutions. The Gateses, though, are trying to take a different approach to the issue. Rather than seeing a population problem in the demographic projections, they’re framing it as a poverty problem — and, for that matter, an opportunity.In this conversation, I talk with Bill Gates about the report and about much more: the geographic and political forces that have held African development back, whether economic growth brings political freedom, the risks posed by artificial intelligence, and how we should weigh future human lives and current animal suffering.This conversation also marks the launch of a new Vox podcast and section, Future Perfect, which focuses on evidence-based ways to make the world a better place. You can find the section at Vox.com, and you can find the podcast, which is hosted by my colleague and friend Dylan Matthews, wherever you get your podcasts. Enjoy!Recommended books:The Headspace Guide to Meditation and Mindfulness by Andy Puddicombeamzn.to/2CE2bVXEducated by Tara Westoveramzn.to/2pPNF4XBig Debt Crises by Ray Dalioamzn.to/2yz8pC0Find the Future Perfect podcast on: Apple Podcasts itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/future-perfect/id1438157174?mt=2Spotifyopen.spotify.com/show/2OGlL5Fld9pez3efFGdM3n?si=lGR-0x2xRtqlGro9Sf1C1AART19art19.com/shows/future-perfectEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Reihan Salam makes the case against open borders | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-11 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIn his new book, Melting Pot or Civil War: A Son of Immigrants Makes the Case Against Open Borders, Reihan Salam tries to do something difficult: build a pro-immigrant case for a more restrictive immigration system.This is an argument, interestingly, that’s as much about inequality as it is about immigration. “Diversity is not the problem,” Salam writes. “What’s uniquely pernicious is extreme between-group inequality.”Salam, the executive editor of the National Review, thus makes a two-sided case: He argues that a socially sustainable immigration system is one where America is more deeply committed to equality, which means both focusing on higher-skilled immigrants who need less support and radically raising the amount of support we’re willing to give immigrants who do need it. And that compromise, he argues, should be paired with a more serious American effort to improve the economic conditions of the places immigrants travel here from.Is this a synthesis that makes sense? Does it really address the cleavages preventing us from moving forward on immigration? And what are the fundamental values that we should base our immigration system on anyway? That’s what Reihan and I discuss in this episode. Recommended books:The Other Side of Assimilation: How Immigrants Are Changing American Life by Tomas Jimenezamazon.com/Other-Side-Assimilation-Immigrants-Changing/dp/0520295706Replenished Ethnicity: Mexican Americans, Immigration, and Identity by Tomas Jimenezamazon.com/Replenished-Ethnicity-Americans-Immigration-Identity/dp/0520261429?crid=3FJ7BT2XXXUXS&keywords=replenished+ethnicity&qid=1539177768&s=Books&sprefix=replenished+%2Cstripbooks%2C129&sr=1-1-fkmrnull&ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1Who Are We?: The Challenges to America's National Identity by Samuel Huntingtonamazon.com/Who-Are-We-Challenges-Americas/dp/0684870541?crid=3RZE13ELVCXVD&keywords=who+are+we+samuel+huntington&qid=1539177822&s=Books&sprefix=who+are+we+sam%2Cstripbooks%2C125&sr=1-1&ref=sr_1_1Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Jose Antonio Vargas on living undocumented in Trump’s America | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-08 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleJose Antonio Vargas was born in the Philippines in 1981. When he was 12, his mother sent him to America, to live with family. When he was 16, he went to the DMV to get a driver's license and found out his green card was forged; he was an undocumented immigrant.Vargas went on to be a decorated journalist, winning a Pulitzer as part of the Washington Post team covering the Virginia Tech shootings. He profiled Mark Zuckerberg for the New Yorker and led a technology vertical at the Huffington Post. But he lived in fear of his secret, of the fragile foundation upon which he'd built his life. So he did something few would have the courage to do: He told the world himself.In his new book, Dear America: Notes of an Undocumented Citizen, Vargas details what happened both before and after his confession. "This book is about constantly hiding from the government and, in the process, hiding from ourselves," he writes. "This book is about what it means to not have a home.”Vargas has spent the better part of the last decade doing something no one should have to do: asking people to see him as a human, not a category; asking the country he lives in to decide what it wants to do with him, or what it wants from him. It is a testament to how strange and broken our system is, how uncertain our values are, that it has refused to give him an answer.Immigration politics is at the core of Trumpism, which means it’s at the core of our politics right now. But the stories of actual immigrants aren’t. In this raw conversation, Vargas and I discuss his life, how being undocumented changes not just your path but your psyche, and what Vargas wants to say to those who see him as the problem they elected this president to fix. Recommended books:The Fire Next Time by James Baldwinamazon.com/Fire-Next-Time-James-Baldwin/dp/067974472X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1538775335&sr=1-1&keywords=the+fire+next+timeThere There by Tommy Orangeamazon.com/There-novel-Tommy-Orange/dp/0525520376/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1538775366&sr=1-1&keywords=there+there+tommy+orangeAmerica Is Not the Heart by Elaine Castillo amazon.com/America-Not-Heart-Elaine-Castillo/dp/073522241X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1538775415&sr=1-1&keywords=elaine+castillo%27s+america+is+not+the+heartEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Rebecca Traister: Womens rage is transforming America | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-08 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleWhy did Christine Blasey Ford have to smile and politely ask for breaks while Brett Kavanaugh could rage at the cameras and dismiss the hearings as a farce?The answer is in Rebecca Traister’s essential, perfectly timed new book, Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger. It’s a book, Traister writes, about how anger works for men in ways it doesn’t for women. I happened to read it the weekend before the Kavanaugh/Ford hearings, and it was eerily prescient: The book was essential to understanding not only what I was seeing at the hearings but, as importantly, what I wasn’t seeing.My conversation with Traister is about those hearings, but about much more too: When is anger constructive and important? Can it tie us together, rather than just pulling us apart? How is the #MeToo movement navigating the fact that sometimes the people it’s angry about are also the people it loves — that our bad guys are also our good guys, as Traister puts it? And what does it mean to see each other in our full humanity, including in our angry humanity? Recommended books and essays:Intercourse by Andrea Dworkinamazon.com/Intercourse-Andrea-Dworkin/dp/0465017525/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1538573036&sr=1-1&keywords=intercourse+andrea+dworkinThe Uses of Anger by Audre Lordeblackpast.org/1981-audre-lorde-uses-anger-women-responding-racismThe Power by Naomi Aldermanamazon.com/Power-Naomi-Alderman/dp/0316547611/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538573242&sr=8-1&keywords=the+power+naomi+aldermanEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Patrick Deneen says liberalism has failed. Is he right? | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-01 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleLiberalism, write Patrick Deneen, "has been for modern Americans like water for a fish, an encompassing political ecosystem in which we have swum, unaware of its existence.”Deneen, a political theorist at Notre Dame, isn’t talking about the liberalism of the left, the liberalism of Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi. He’s talking about the liberalism that drives both the left and the right, the one that elevates individual flourishing over groups, families, places, nature. That’s the liberalism that is wrecking our societies and our happiness, Deneen says, and while the left and the right often disagree on how to achieve it, they're both disastrously bought into its core ideas. Deneen’s book, Why Liberalism Failed, has become a quiet sensation, gaining plaudits from conservative pundits and even showing up on Barack Obama’s reading list. His is a radical critique, and while I disagree with much of it, the things it gets right are important. Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Francis Fukuyama’s case against identity politics | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-10-01 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIs all politics identity politics? And if so, then what does it mean to condemn identity politics in the first place?That’s the subject of my discussion with Stanford political scientist Francis Fukuyama. In his new book, Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment, he builds a theory of what identity means in modern societies and how spiraling demands for recognition are tearing at the fabric of our politics."The retreat on both sides into ever narrower identities threatens the possibility of deliberation and collective action by the society as a whole," he writes. "Down this road lies, ultimately, state breakdown and failure.” Yikes.Fukuyama’s book revolves around a question I’ve become a bit obsessed by: When do we see political claims as identity politics, and when do we see them as just politics? What’s obscured in the passage from one boundary to another? Whose agendas are served by it? And in a country whose narrative of progress and perfection is inextricably bound up in the success of past moments of identity politics, how did this come to be such a vilified term today?So I asked Fukuyama on the show to discuss it. This is a great conversation with one of the foremost political thinkers of our age.Recommended books:Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government by Christopher Achen and Larry Bartelsamazon.com/Democracy-Realists-Elections-Responsive-Government/dp/0691178240/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537973158&sr=1-1&keywords=bartelsThe Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidtamazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537973224&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=haidt+the+righteous+mind&psc=1Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Carol Anderson on the myth of American democracy | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-09-24 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThe president of the United States was the runner-up in the popular vote. The majority in the US Senate got fewer votes than the minority. And even if Democrats win a hefty majority of the vote in 2018’s House elections, Republicans, due to gerrymandering and geography, may retain control of the chamber.But it’s not just the structure of our system that eats at America’s democratic claims. It’s the rules being layered on top of it. In 2017, 99 bills to limit voting have been introduced in 31 states. Recent years have seen an explosion of laws meant to make it harder for Americans — particularly nonwhite, young, and poorer Americans — to vote. America calls itself a democracy, but it's elected officials are actively working to make democratic participation harder.This is nothing new, says Carol Anderson, chair of Emory’s African-American studies department, and author of the new book One Person, No Vote. Efforts to limit the franchise, to ensure power remained where it was even as the trappings of democracy gave it legitimacy, are as old as the country itself.“Right now, our democracy is in crisis,” she says. This is a conversation about the distance between what America claims to be, what it is, and how much worse it can get. It's about the continuity between past violations of our democracy that we all understand and condemn and present violations that cloak their true nature.With the 2018 election around the corner, this is a conversation we all need to be having. Recommended books:Give Us the Ballot: The Modern Struggle for Voting Rights in America by Ari Bermanamazon.com/Give-Us-Ballot-Struggle-America/dp/1250094720/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537537115&sr=1-1&keywords=ari+bermanOne Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America by Kevin Kruseamazon.com/One-Nation-Under-God-Corporate/dp/0465097413/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537537355&sr=1-1&keywords=kevin+kruse+one+nation+under+godWhite Flight: Atlanta and the Making of Modern Conservatism by Kevin Kruseamazon.com/White-Flight-Atlanta-Conservatism-Politics/dp/0691133867/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537537399&sr=1-1&keywords=kevin+kruse+white+flightIt's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism by Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornsteinamazon.com/Even-Worse-Than-Looks-Constitutional/dp/0465096204/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537537147&sr=1-1&keywords=it%27s+even+worse+than+it+looksEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Martha C. Nussbaum on how fear deforms our politics | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-09-17 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIn her new book Monarchy of Fear, famed philosopher Martha C. Nussbaum identifies fear as the oldest and deepest of our emotions. Fear takes hold in our earliest infancy when we can experience need but we can’t act. And it lurks underneath our psyches, communities, and politics forever after that.This is a conversation about what fear is and how it shapes our worldviews and our politics. It’s also a conversation about what hope is, and whether embracing it is a choice we can, and should, make. Nussbaum is one of our greatest living philosophers. The way she thinks about politics, and her effort to recenter emotions at the core of both political and philosophical inquiry, is worth hearing.The Prison Letters of Nelson Mandela by Sahm Venteramazon.com/Prison-Letters-Nelson-Mandela/dp/1631491172/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536855986&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Prison+Letters+of+Nelson+MandelaTo Shape a New World: Essays on the Political Philosophy of Martin Luther King, Jr. edited by Tommie Shelby and Brandon M. Terryamazon.com/Shape-New-World-Political-Philosophy/dp/0674980751/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536855925&sr=1-1&keywords=To+Shape+a+New+WorldThe Opposite of Woe: My Life in Beer and Politics by John Hickenlooperamazon.com/Opposite-Woe-Life-Beer-Politics/dp/1101981679Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
David French on The Great White Culture War | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-09-10 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleDavid French is a senior writer for National Review and one of the conservatives I read most closely. About a month ago, he published an interesting column responding to some things I had said, and to the broader currents cutting through our politics.“Conservative white Americans look at urban multicultural liberalism and notice an important fact,” he wrote. "Its white elite remains, and continues to enjoy staggering amounts of power and privilege. So when that same white elite applauds the decline of 'white America,' what conservatives often hear isn’t a cheer for racial justice but another salvo in our ongoing cultural grudge match, with the victors seeking to elevate black and brown voices while remaining on top themselves."I asked French to come on the podcast to discuss this idea — and the controversies that motivated it — more deeply, and he quickly accepted. The result is a tricky conversation about very sensitive territory in our politics. It’s about how we talk about race and class and status and gender and sexuality and religion, how we understand and misunderstand each other, how our political identities turn conflicts about one thing into conflicts about all things, why groups that are objectively powerful feel so powerless, and much more.I always appreciate the grace, openness, and intelligence French brings to his writing, and all of that is on full display here too.Recommended books:The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidtamazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897Coming Apart by Charles Murrayamazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/030745343X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536328505&sr=1-1&keywords=coming+apart+by+charles+murrayThe Expanse series by James S.A. Coreyamazon.com/Expanse-Boxed-Set-Leviathan-Calibans/dp/0316311294/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536328591&sr=1-1&keywords=the+expanse+seriesEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Your attention is being hijacked. Chris Bailey can help. | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-09-04 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleLife is the sum focus of what you pay attention to. You hear that a lot. But look at the verb there: “pay” attention to. As if attention is something we consciously spend out. As if it’s something we control. But do we?Not these days. There’s a war on for our attention, and we’re often losing it. Chris Bailey’s Hyperfocus looks, from the outside, like a book about productivity. But it’s really one of the best books I’ve read about attention: what it is, how much it can hold, how we lose track of it, and how to get it back.This is a conversation about paying attention to your attention, making sure you’re controlling it rather than accidentally letting it — and all the multibillion-dollar companies working to hijack it — control you. This is one of those conversations that, if you can apply it, will actually make your life a bit better, a bit more your own.Recommended books:Getting Things Done by David Allenamazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280Mindfulness in Plain English by Bhante Henepola Gunaratanaamazon.com/Mindfulness-English-Bhante-Henepola-Gunaratana/dp/0861719069/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1535725949&sr=1-3&keywords=mindfulness+in+plain+englishHow Not to Die by Michael Gregeramazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/dp/1250066115/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1535726072&sr=1-1&keywords=how+not+to+dieEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Anand Giridharadas on the elite charade of changing the world | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-09-04 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsle“How can there be anything wrong with trying to do good?” asks Anand Giridharadas in his new book, Winners Take All. “The answer may be: when the good is an accomplice to even greater, if more invisible, harm.”Giridharadas has done his time in elite circles. His education took him through Oxford and Harvard, he spent years as a New York Times columnist, he's a regular on Morning Joe, he’s a TED talker. And so when he mounted the stage at the Aspen Institute and told his fellow fellows that their pretensions of doing good were just that — pretensions — and that they were more the problem than the solution, it caused some controversy.Giridharadas’s new book will make a lot of people angry. It’s about the difference between generosity and justice, the problems with only looking for win-win solutions, the ways the corporate world has come to dominate the discourse of change, and the fact that elite networks change the people who are part of them.But for all the power of Giridharadas’s critique of elite do-goodery, does he have better answers to the problems they’re trying to solve? And what of the very real problems that have left so many disillusioned with government, or the very real accomplishments that exist in the systems we’ve built? If we are pursuing change wrong, then what needs to be changed to pursue it better?Recommended books:There Will Be No Miracles Here by Casey Gerald (forthcoming)amazon.com/There-Will-Be-Miracles-Here/dp/0735214204The Argonauts by Maggie Nelsonamazon.com/Argonauts-Maggie-Nelson/dp/1555977359/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1535491149&sr=1-2&keywords=the+argonauts+maggie+nelsonIdentity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment by Francis Fukuyamaamazon.com/Identity-Demand-Dignity-Politics-Resentment/dp/0374129290/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1535491225&sr=1-1&keywords=Francis+FukuyamaEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
N.K. Jemisin’s master class in world building | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-08-27 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleI’m just going to say it. This may be the most fun I’ve ever had on a podcast.Nora Jemisin — better known by her pen name, N.K. Jemisin — just won the Hugo Award for best novel for the third year in a row. No one had ever done that before. Jemisin is also the first author to have every book in a single series win the Hugo for best novel, and the first black author ever to win a Hugo. She’s a badass.What makes Jemisin’s work so remarkable is the power and detail of the worlds she builds for her characters, and her readers, to inhabit. In this podcast, she shows us how she does it: Jemisin teaches a world-building seminar for sci-fi and fantasy authors, and here, she leads me through that exercise live. It’s a master class not only in building a new world but in understanding our own. You don’t want to miss this.Recommended books:The Murderbot Diaries series from Martha Wellsamazon.com/All-Systems-Red-Murderbot-Diaries/dp/0765397536Unexpected Stories by Octavia Butleramazon.com/Unexpected-Stories-Octavia-Butler-ebook/dp/B00K04NWG0/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1535059500&sr=1-1&keywords=Unexpected+Stories+by+Octavia+ButlerEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Is our economy totally screwed? Andrew Yang and I debate | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-08-20 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsle"The future without jobs will come to resemble either the cultivated benevolence of Star Trek or the desperate scramble for resources of Mad Max,” writes Andrew Yang.Well then.Yang is the founder of Venture for America, the author of The War on Normal People, and an outsider candidate for the Democratic nomination in 2020. His campaign is based on a grim view of the economy he sees coming: AI, automation, and globalization leading to mass joblessness. The only things that can save us, he says, are a universal basic income (UBI), a redefinition of what work is and how it’s compensated, and a redefinition of how we measure economic and social progress.I’ll be honest. I’m skeptical of the robots-will-take-all-the-jobs thesis that’s took Silicon Valley, and much of the punditariat, by storm. Yang and I debate those doubts, as well as the different arguments for a UBI (and the various ways to finance it).You want big ideas? Here they are.Recommended Books:Give People Money by Annie Lowrey (I promise I did not push Andrew to recommend this!)amazon.com/Give-People-Money-Universal-Revolutionize/dp/1524758760AI Superpowers: China, Silicon Valley, and the New World Order by Kai-Fu Leeamazon.com/AI-Superpowers-China-Silicon-Valley/dp/132854639X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534458445&sr=1-1&keywords=ai+superpowersSqueezed by Alissa Quartamazon.com/Squeezed-Families-Cant-Afford-America/dp/0062412256/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534458602&sr=1-1&keywords=squeezed+by+alissa+quartEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Welcome to The Ezra Klein Show on YouTube Ezra Klein Show 2018-08-13 | The Ezra Klein Show brings you inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics, technology, and media. Subscribe for new episodes of the Ezra Klein Show each Monday: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleOr find the Ezra Klein Show on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Chef Marcus Samuelsson on immigration, creativity, and Anthony Bourdain | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-08-13 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleMarcus Samuelsson is the Michelin-starred chef behind Harlem’s The Red Rooster an award-winning cookbook author, the winner of the first season of Top Chef: Masters, and the host of No Passport Required, a new food and travel show from Eater and PBS.Samuelsson’s story is remarkable. He was born in Ethiopia to a mother who carried him and his sister 75 miles on foot to a hospital when all three of them were suffering from tuberculosis. Samuelsson’s mother died, but he and his sister survived and were adopted by a Swedish family, which is where he grew up.He’s lived and cooked all over the world — Japan, France, Austria, Switzerland — and has a pile of Michelin stars as a testament to his ability to see how the culinary traditions of one place can be informed by another, or introduced to another.This is a conversation about creativity and how diversity powers it. It’s a conversation about what immigration adds to communities, rather than just the role it plays in politics. And it’s a conversation — an emotional one — about what Samuelsson learned from his friend Anthony Bourdain, whose show No Reservations set the template in this space, and whose loss continues to beEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Why Online Politics Gets So Extreme So Fast | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-08-06 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleDuring the 2016 campaign, Zeynep Tufekci was watching videos of Donald Trump rallies on YouTube. But then, she writes, she "noticed something peculiar. YouTube started to recommend and ‘autoplay' videos for me that featured white supremacist rants, Holocaust denials and other disturbing content.”And it wasn’t just Trump videos. Watching Hillary Clinton rallies got her "arguments about the existence of secret government agencies and allegations that the United States government was behind the attacks of Sept. 11.” Nor was it just politics. "Videos about vegetarianism led to videos about veganism. Videos about jogging led to videos about running ultramarathons."Tufekci is a New York Times columnist and a professor at the University of North Carolina. She’s also one of the clearest thinkers around on how digital platforms work, how their algorithms understand and shape our preferences, and what the consequences are for society. So as we learn that Facebook is detecting new efforts at electoral manipulation and as we watch online politics become ever more bitter and divisive, I wanted to talk with Tufekci about how digital platforms have become engines of radicalization, and what we can do about it.Recommended books:The Control Revolution by James Benigeramazon.com/Control-Revolution-Technological-Economic-Information/dp/0674169867Ruling The Waves by Debora Sparamazon.com/Ruling-Waves-Internet-Business-Technological/dp/015602702X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1533242812&sr=1-1&keywords=ruling+the+wavesOrality and Literacy by Walter Ongamazon.com/Orality-Literacy-30th-Anniversary-Accents/dp/0415538386Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Taking Trumps corruption seriously | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-08-06 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThe question of whether President Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election has consumed Washington since the Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller special counsel in March 2017.But there's another question worth considering: the financial corruption swirling around Trump’s businesses, and now his administration. In any other White House, this would be the ongoing, constant story — the site of endless investigations and inquiries. And it still might be. We know Mueller is looking into the web of financial ties between Trump’s businesses and the post-Soviet bloc, and we know that part of the Mueller investigation gets Trump particularly outraged. Plus, we still don’t know what’s on Trump’s tax returns, or what could be discovered if Democrats take back a chamber of Congress and get subpoena power.Here’s my bet: If there is some scandal lurking that’s going to derail the Trump administration, I think it’s going to be found by following the money, not by following the Russian bots.Adam Davidson has been investigating this since Trump's election. If you're an avid podcast listener, you probably know Adam from his days at Planet Money. He's now at the New Yorker, doing some of the best investigative work on the Trump Organization. You’ll want to hear what he’s found.Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
The surprising story of how American politics polarized | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-07-31 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleWe talk a lot on this podcast about the epic levels of political polarization and how much of our ongoing breakdown they explain. But what was American politics like before it was polarized? And what got us from there to here?Sam Rosenfeld is a political scientist at Colgate University and author of the book The Polarizers: Postwar Architects of Our Partisan Era. I’ve read a lot of books on polarization, and Rosenfeld’s is the best I’ve seen at painting a picture of what American politics looked like before Republican meant conservative and Democrat meant liberal, and why polarization seemed like a good, necessary thing to many of the people who drove it.While you listen to this history, try to think about it not from the perspective of someone sitting in 2018, looking at a political system in crisis, but someone in 1955, observing a system that offered nothing but false and confusing choices. Would you have been on the side of the polarizers?Recommended books:On Capitol Hill by Julian Zelizeramazon.com/Capitol-Hill-Struggle-Consequences-1948-2000/dp/0521681278Making Minnesota Liberal by Jennifer Deltonamazon.com/Making-Minnesota-Liberal-Transformation-Democratic/dp/0816639221Social Policy in the United States by Theda Skocpolamazon.com/Social-Policy-United-States-Skocpol/dp/069103785XEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
The most important idea for understanding American politics in 2018 | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-07-23 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleAmerica is changing. A majority of infants are, for the first time in US history, nonwhite — and the rest of the population is expected to follow suit in the coming decades. The number of religiously affiliated Americans is at a record low, and the share of foreign-born residents is at a historically high level.What happens to a country amid this kind of demographic change and strain? What does it do to our politics, to our identities, to our worldview?I’ve come to believe that you can’t understand politics in America right now without understanding these changes and how they act on us psychologically. And to understand these changes, you need to talk to Yale psychologist Jennifer Richeson, who has done pioneering work on the way perceptions of demographic threat and change affect people’s political opinions, voting behavior, and ideas about themselves.I believe this is one of the most important conversations I’ve had on this podcast for understanding America today — and I also know it’s just the start of trying to understand these questions. Enjoy.Recommended books:White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson (who was also on EKS)amazon.com/White-Rage-Unspoken-Racial-Divide/dp/1536667471Change They Can't Believe In: The Tea Party and Reactionary Politics in America by Christopher S. Parker and Matt A. Barretoamazon.com/Change-They-Cant-Believe-Reactionary/dp/0691151830The Space Between Us: Social Geography and Politics by Ryan Enosamazon.com/Space-between-Us-Geography-Politics/dp/1108420648/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1532103164&sr=1-1&keywords=the+space+between+us+ryan+enosEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
How To Disagree Better with Arthur Brooks | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-07-17 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleArthur Brooks is the president of the American Enterprise Institute, one of Washington’s most respected and powerful conservative think tanks. He’s also launching a new podcast, The Arthur Brooks Show, with Vox Media on the art and practice of disagreement.I’ve known Brooks for a while. And I disagree with him on, well, a lot — at least when it comes to American politics. And yet, those disagreements haven’t ended a years-long conversation between us on everything from management to spirituality to policy. I can say from experience: Brooks really is good at disagreeing.In this podcast, Brooks — a Seattle native with a liberal family and a background as a traveling musician — reveals what he’s learned on how to disagree better, why civility shouldn’t be the goal in conversation, and why it’s healthy to have a lot of arguments. We talk about why he’s stepping down from his position at AEI, why I stepped down from management at Vox, and why anger is a healthy emotion and contempt isn’t.This is one of those conversations I’ve thought about daily since having it. The anger versus contempt rubric has been particularly useful for me, and I think it will be for you. Enjoy!The Arthur Brooks Show:art19.com/shows/the-arthur-brooks-showRecommended books:Zen and the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigelamazon.com/Zen-Art-Archery-Eugen-Herrigel/dp/0375705090/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531330411&sr=1-2&keywords=Zen+and+the+Art+of+ArcheryThe Unpersuadables by Will Storramazon.com/Unpersuadables-Adventures-Enemies-Science/dp/1468310100/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531330460&sr=1-1&keywords=The+UnpersuadablesThe Consolations of Mortality by Andrew Starkamazon.com/Consolations-Mortality-Making-Sense-Death/dp/0300219253Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Jaron Lanier’s case for deleting social media right now | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-07-09 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleDuring my book leave, I took a social media sabbatical. No reading Facebook. No reading Twitter. And you know what? It was great. I felt able to think more clearly, and listen more closely, than had been true in years. I’m not sure that was all because of social media — I was also hanging back from much of the news — but I’m certain the blackout helped.The experience of coming back, and reopening myself to the feeds and the tweets and the algorithms, has been profound. It feels like, suddenly, someone is following me around and shouting in my ear. Sometimes what they’re shouting is important, or funny, or incisive. Sometimes it’s angry, insulting, or just irrelevant. Sometimes it’s just a cry for attention — Look at me! Post to me! Don’t let your competitors get all the likes and retweets!I’ve been thinking, a lot, about how I want to engage with social media going forward. And so I called Jaron Lanier. Lanier’s been on this podcast before. Our previous conversation — about virtual reality and the ways the internet went awry from its early utopian ideals — is one of my favorites. But his new book is particularly relevant to me. It’s called Ten Arguments For Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now, and so I asked him on the show to make the case that I should, in fact, delete all my social media accounts right now, and that you should, too.Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
The most clarifying convo Ive had about Trump and Russia | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-07-06 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleWhat have we actually learned about Donald Trump’s ties to Russia, and his administration’s efforts to cover those ties up? What role did Russia really play in the 2016 election? And what are special counsel Robert Mueller’s possible endgames — what can he really do, and when might he do it?In January, I had Lawfare’s Susan Hennessey on the podcast to guide me through the Trump-Russia case, and it’s one of the most helpful — and popular — episodes we’ve done. Now she’s back, and given how much more we know now than we did eight months ago, it’s an even crazier, more necessary, conversation. Enjoy!Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
The Supreme Court vs. Democracy with Dahlia Lithwick | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-07-02 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleIf 75,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania had tipped the other way, President Hillary Clinton would’ve named both Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy’s replacements. But they didn’t. And now Donald Trump, in less than two years, will fill as many Supreme Court seats as Barack Obama did in eight.When news of Kennedy’s retirement came down, I knew exactly who I wanted to talk to: Dahlia Lithwick, Slate’s exceptional legal analyst, and host of the podcast Amicus. I can’t say our conversation made me feel better about the Supreme Court. If someone as knowledgeable and humane as Lithwick is this alarmed, then, well, it’s alarming. But it at least left me feeling like I understood the stakes.Lithwick is brilliant in tracing the ideological and political trends that have led us to this moment: We talk about how the Court has moved steadily right for a generation, such that John Roberts — John Roberts! — is now the closest thing to a swing vote; how lifetime appointments have collided with deep politicization; what it means that voting rights are under attack from judges who wouldn’t hold their jobs if America was more of a democracy, and much more.The right has won the fight for the Supreme Court for the next few decades, and they have done so because they were more focused, more committed, and better organized. This is how they did it, and what comes next.Recommended book:One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression Is Destroying Our Democracy by Carol Andersonamazon.com/One-Person-Vote-Suppression-Destroying/dp/1635571375Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Eric Garcetti on the lessons of Los Angeles | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-06-25 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThere’s been a lot of talk about the coming of majority-minority America — the point, projected for roughly 2045, when there will no longer be any racial or ethnic group that makes up a majority of the United States.But there are plenty of places in America where this has already happened. Los Angeles is one of them. LA has about 4 million people, making it more populous than 23 states, and a demography in rapid flux. Non-Hispanic whites make up about 30 percent of the population, while Hispanics and Latinos make up 47 percent, and African Americans make up 10 percent.Eric Garcetti is the mayor of LA. He’s its first Jewish mayor and its second Mexican-American mayor. He was reelected in 2017 with a stunning 81 percent of the vote. And he’s openly considering a run for president in 2020. If Garcetti does jump into the race, he’ll likely do so based on two core ideas: that there’s a better way to talk about and govern amid diversity than either Donald Trump or the Democrats have shown, and that Americans are primed for a manager who makes running the government their core objective, rather than fighting the culture wars.In this conversation, Garcetti and I talk about what he’s learned governing a majority-minority polity, why he thinks national identity is crucial amid rising diversity, his political vison’s central tenant of “belonging,” the roots of LA’s homelessness crisis, whether paving streets is sexy, and much more.Garcetti offers a different vision of where the Democratic Party should go next — one based much more on the lessons of California than backlash to Trump. It’s worth hearing.Recommended books:Stone, Paper, Knife by Marge Piercyamazon.com/Stone-Paper-Knife-Marge-Piercy/dp/0394712196Ficciones by Jorge Luis Borgesamazon.com/Ficciones-Jorge-Luis-Borges/dp/0802130305/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1529680935&sr=1-3&keywords=fictions+by+borgesWhat It Takes by Richard Ben Crameramazon.com/What-Takes-Way-White-House/dp/0679746498/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1529681014&sr=1-1&keywords=what+it+takes+richard+ben+cramerEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Ellen Pao on #MeToo, free speech, and online radicalization | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-06-18 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleEllen Pao had a rough 2015. She lost her high-profile gender discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins, one of Silicon Valley’s biggest and most powerful venture capital firms. She also stepped down as CEO of Reddit after a tumultuous tenure in which she came under withering criticism for, among other things, shutting down online communities devoted to shaming fat people and posting upskirt photos.A few short years later, Pao’s 2015 looks prophetic. Her fight against Kleiner Perkins presaged much of the #MeToo movement. Her campaign to set some limits around what could and couldn’t be done on Reddit presaged the difficulties the social media giants are having as they try to rein in online harassment and fake news.Ellen Pao, I’ve come to think, was the canary in Silicon Valley’s coal mine.Pao is now the CEO of Project Include, and in this conversation, we talk about what’s changed since 2015 and how she thinks her 2015 would’ve been different if it had happened at this moment. We discuss how this era may be radicalizing young white men online and what, if anything, can be done about it. We talk about what it really takes to diversify a company — hint: much more than most companies are currently doing or are willing to do — as well as research showing diverse teams are more productive but less happy. And we look at how arguments about biological difference are used to justify the inequalities of our present society.Much of what's obsessing us in 2018 is rooted in fights Pao has been waging for far longer. It's worth hearing what she's learned.Recommended books:So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluoamazon.com/You-Want-Talk-About-Race/dp/1580056776Beautiful Souls: The Courage and Conscience of Ordinary People in Extraordinary Timesby Eyal Pressamazon.com/Beautiful-Souls-Conscience-Ordinary-Extraordinary/dp/1250024080/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528925775&sr=1-1&keywords=beautiful+souls+eyal+pressBorn a Crime by Trevor Noahamazon.com/Born-Crime-Stories-African-Childhood/dp/1473635306/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528925836&sr=1-1&keywords=born+a+crime+trevor+noahEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Jane Mayer brought down Eric Schneiderman. Here’s how. | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-06-13 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleOn May 7, Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow published a story in the New Yorker detailing New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s alleged history of sexually and psychologically terrorizing the women he dated. Hours later, Schneiderman stepped down.Schneiderman was only Mayer’s most recent investigation. Over the course of her career, she’s exposed America’s torture programs, the Koch brothers’ takeover of Republican Party politics, the role the reclusive Mercer family had in funding Donald Trump’s rise, the real story of what happened between Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill, and more. She’s among the greatest investigative reporters of her generation, and I’ve always wondered how she breaks so many huge stories on such a vast range of topics. And so, in this podcast, I asked her.The result is a conversation that not only helps make sense of the moment we’re living in — from #MeToo to how the Kochs tamed the Trump administration to why Gina Haspel is our CIA director — but also acts as a primer on the art and practice of investigative reporting. Enjoy!Recommended books:Winner-Take-All Politics by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Piersonamazon.com/Winner-Take-All-Politics-Washington-Richer-Turned/dp/1416588701The Diamond as Big as the Ritz by F. Scott Fitzgeraldamazon.com/Diamond-Big-Ritz-Scott-Fitzgerald/dp/1603551050/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527709506&sr=1-1&keywords=a+diamond+as+big+as+the+ritzInvisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal by Kim Phillips-Feinamazon.com/Invisible-Hands-Businessmens-Crusade-Against/dp/0393337669/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527709672&sr=1-2&keywords=the+invisible+handsEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Tyler Cowen on the painful end of American complacency | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-06-13 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleHeadlining any conversation with Tyler Cowen is difficult. This one, for instance, covers how to write a book, single-payer health care, political correctness, loneliness, the expanding Overton window, the tech backlash, technological innovation, the case for American optimism, how to change our cultural assumptions about race, and much more.But if there is a theme, it calls back to Cowen’s fascinating 2017 book, The Complacent Class. There, Cowen argued that contrary to the widespread belief that America was undergoing convulsive change, it was actually changing less than ever — becoming geographically, ideologically, politically, and technologically complacent. But surveying the past year or so in American life, Cowen thinks that the age of American complacency is ending faster than he expected — and that change of the sort that’s happening now will prove deeply painful, even if it also kick-starts our economy and builds us a better future.Recommended books:The Dawn of Eurasia: On the Trail of the New World Order by Bruno MaCaesamazon.com/Dawn-Eurasia-Trail-World-Order/dp/0241309255Symposium by Platoamazon.com/Plato-Symposium-Benjamin-Jowett/dp/0023607602Grant by Ron Chernowamazon.com/Grant-Ron-Chernow/dp/159420487X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526669435&sr=1-1&keywords=GrantLeonardo da Vinci by Walter Isaacsonamazon.com/Leonardo-Vinci-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1501139150/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526669451&sr=1-1&keywords=Leonardo+Da+VinciThe Beatles: The Authorized Biography by Hunter Daviesamazon.com/Beatles-authorised-biography-Hunter-Davies/dp/0434176044The Autobiography of John Stuart Millamazon.com/Autobiography-John-Stuart-Mill-J-S/dp/B000KKABRW/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526669482&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Autobiography+of+John+Stewart+MillOpen: An Autobiography by Andre Agassiamazon.com/Open-Autobiography-Andre-Agassi/dp/0307388409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526669498&sr=1-1&keywords=Open%3A+An+AutobiographyEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
Political Power and The Racial Wealth Gap with Mehrsa Baradaran | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-06-11 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleThe racial wealth gap is where past injustice compounds into present inequality. When I asked Ta-Nehisi Coates, on this show, what would prove to him that white supremacy was over in this country, he pointed to the closing of the racial wealth gap.The numbers here are startling. In 2016, the median white family in America had $171,000 in wealth. The median black family had just $17,400. Put differently, for every dollar in wealth the average white family has, the average black family has a dime. And the chasm is growing.One of the first episodes of Vox’s new Netflix show, Explained, explores the roots, realities, and future of America’s racial wealth gap. This conversation continues the discussion with one of the key voices in that episode: Mehrsa Baradaran, a law professor at the University of Georgia and author of the extraordinary book The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap.Baradaran focuses on a part of the American story that’s often ignored: the way African Americans were locked out of the financial engines that create wealth in America, and the way the rhetoric of equal treatment under the law was weaponized, as soon as slavery ended, against efforts to achieve economic equality. But Baradaran’s view isn’t just historical: she’s also studied the way African Americans are disproportionately unbanked and underbanked today, and has been advising Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s efforts to do something big and surprising to solve it: building a nationwide postal banking system.The issues discussed in this episode are, I think, some of the most important facing America right now, and Baradaran’s perspective is unusual in its marriage of analytical rigor, historical analysis, real solutions, and deep compassion. This is worth listening to.Recommended books:The Human Instinct by Kenneth R. Milleramazon.com/Human-Instinct-Evolved-Reason-Consciousness/dp/1476790264Master of the Senate by Robert Caroamazon.com/Master-Senate-Years-Lyndon-Johnson/dp/0394720954/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527199685&sr=1-1&keywords=Master+of+the+SenateFeel Free by Zadie Smith amazon.com/Feel-Free-Essays-Zadie-Smith/dp/1594206252/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527199696&sr=1-1&keywords=Feel+FreeEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
The Green Pill with Dr. Melanie Joy | The Ezra Klein Show Ezra Klein Show 2018-06-11 | Subscribe to the Ezra Klein Show: http://bit.ly/2oiIsleWhat accounts for the way most of us eat? What’s the ideology, the theory, behind our diets? And what happens when you stop believing in it?Over the past decade, I’ve been on a fitful journey toward veganism. At least, that’s the way I normally say it. That’s the polite way to say it. The truth is I’ve been on a fitful journey away from the idea that unnecessarily inflicting suffering and death on literally billions of beings that can feel pain is moral. And it’s been one of the most disorienting, radicalizing experiences of my life. It’s the belief I hold most strongly that I’m most uncomfortable talking about. I find myself, out to dinner with friends, apologizing for it, avoiding it, gently mocking it.I didn’t really understand why I felt all this until I read Dr. Melanie Joy’s Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism. In it, she does something both obvious and brilliant: She names the ideology that governs the way we eat, investigates its beliefs and demands, and explores how its dominance makes it invisible.This is a conversation about carnism, but it’s also a conversation about how truly dominant worldviews work. "The primary way entrenched ideologies stay entrenched is by remaining invisible,” Joy writes. "And the primary way they stay invisible is by remaining unnamed. If we don't name it, we can't talk about it, and if we can't talk about it, we can't question it.”Joy’s work applies to much more than how we eat: It’s a lens for thinking about all the systems we’re so deeply embedded in that we can no longer see them, and so we learn not to notice if they compel us to do things that don’t align with what we believe to be right, or who we actually want to be. And it’s about what happens when those ideologies become visible and we have to grapple with what they’ve done to us and the world we live in.This is among the most important conversations I’ve had on this podcast. I can’t recommend it enough.Recommended books:How Not to Die by Dr. Michael Gregeramazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/dp/1250066115/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528321263&sr=1-2&keywords=how+not+to+die+michael+gregerHow to Create a Vegan World by Tobias Leenaertamazon.com/How-Create-Vegan-World-Pragmatic/dp/1590565703/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528321321&sr=1-1&keywords=How+to+Create+a+vegan+worldEating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foeramazon.com/Eating-Animals-Jonathan-Safran-Foer/dp/0316069884/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528321373&sr=1-1&keywords=eating+animalsEzra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why.Subscribe and listen on all of your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2Art19: art19.com/shows/the-ezra-klein-showStitcher: stitcher.com/podcast/vox/the-ezra-klein-showSpotify: open.spotify.com/show/6NOJ6IkTb2GWMj1RpmtnxP
