National Committee on U.S.-China Relations
What China Actually Thinks: Inside the Numbers on America, Taiwan, and War
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In an interview conducted on March 22, 2023, Mike Chinoy and Lenora Chu discuss the people who have covered China for American media and how they have shaped American understanding of China.
0:00-4:30 background
4:30-11:11 truth vs. fiction
11:11-19:09 pre- and post- Mao era media relations
19:09-32:43 Journalism in the Deng era, Tiananmen Square
32:43- How have journalism and narratives changed?
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In an interview conducted in partnership with Peking University’s National School of Development on March 14, 2023, Dr. Hu Yifan and Dr. Lu Feng provide their forecasts of China’s economy for the coming year.
0:00-3:00 introductions
3:00-11:00 Predictions for 2023
11:00-24:00 incentives, growth, and economic policy
24:00-32:43 China’s population demographics and economy
32:43-44:05 U.S.-China cooperation and trade
44:05-50:56 Bank failures, nervous markets
50:56- State of the RMB and USD
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The annual meetings of the National People’s Congress (NPC) and Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), known as the “Two Sessions” or “Lianghui,” feature the gathering of political leaders in Beijing each spring to announce plans and goals for the coming year. In 2023, after a period of dramatic changes including China’s new approach to COVID-19, an economic downturn, and the war in Ukraine, the significance for the world of political events in China is clearer than ever.
0:00-2:00 Introductions
2:00-8:46 What is the Two Sessions?
8:46-24:22 Expectations, surprises, and power
24:22-33:00 economic growth and Party- decision making
33:00- The future of China’s diplomacy
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In an interview conducted on March 9, 2023, Pete Millwood discusses with Alison Friedman how a diverse cast of Chinese and Americans – athletes and physicists, performing artists and seismologists – played a critical, but often overlooked, role in remaking U.S.-China relations.
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Dr. Dimitrov argues that communist regimes are adept at developing sophisticated systems that mobilize the party, state security, and internal journalism to assess levels of dissent. Drawing from evidence across multiple communist regimes and numerous interviews, Professor Dimitrov contributes to our understanding of how autocrats learn – or don’t learn – about the societies they rule, and how they maintain or lose their hold on power.
In an interview conducted on March 7, 2023, Martin Dimitrov discusses information-gathering of communist regimes and how it extends authoritarian governments’ tenure with Kellee Tsai.
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In The Dragon Roars Back, Suisheng Zhao weaves together complex events, processes, and players in an analysis of Chinese foreign policy transitions since the founding of the People’s Republic of China. Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping, and Xi Jinping were and are transformational leaders who have charted unique courses of Chinese foreign policy in the quest for security, prosperity, and power.
In an interview conducted on February 15, 2023, Suisheng Zhao discusses the key leaders who have shaped Chinese foreign policy with Sheena Chestnut Greitens.
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In an interview conducted on February 9, 2023, Paul Triolo examines recent developments in China’s blockchain evolution, focusing on its role in the U.S.-China relationship.
0:00-4:50 Introduction, What is blockchain?
4:50-15:53 China’s innovation and regulation
15:53-20:51 Can we regulate cryptocurrency?
20:51-27:00 U.S.-China blockchain regulation
27:00- the metaverse
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Yun Sun discusses the dynamics among China, Russia, and the United States in an interview conducted on February 17, 2023.
0:00-1:17 Introductions
1:17-10:39 What is China’s impact on the war? China-Russia trade and relations
10:39-14:00 Ukraine-Taiwan parallels
14:00-21:06 China in the middle
21:06-24:16 The impact on U.S.-China relations
24:16- The future of China-Russia relations
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In an interview conducted on February 3, 2023, Guide to China’s Climate Policy 2022 co-authors David Sandalow and Edmund Downie discuss China’s role in facing the global challenge presented by climate change with Angel Hsu.
0:00-2:06 Introductions
2:06-10:30 China’s climate background and efforts
10:30-21:16 China’s climate market
21:16-25:40 What will it take to lower coal consumption?
25:40-28:08 U.S.-China climate cooperation
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Sara Newland and Lev Nachman share their views on how a vibrant civil society, protest culture, and respect for progressive values characterize Taiwan today.
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In an interview conducted on January 25, 2023, John Delury and Jerome Cohen discuss Downey’s story and its implication for today with Gina Tam.
0:00-2:27 introductions
2:27-11:19 Who was John Downey?
11:19- 16:00 Cold War framework
16:00-23:33 What did it have to take for Downey’s release?
23:33-29:26 CIA activity in China
29:26-Present U.S.-China cooperation
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Steven Roach, senior fellow at the Paul Tsai China Center at Yale Law School and former chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia, breaks down the U.S. trade deficit and explains why trading practices are only a small part of the issue.
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In his presentation, Ambassador Qin, now Foreign Minister, discussed his longtime relationship with Mr. Orlins. Mr. Orlins also offered remarks on the state of the U.S.-China relationship. The award, whose prior recipients include former U.S. Ambassador to China Terry Branstad, was presented at the 2022 China General Chamber of Commerce Chicago gala event.
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Scott L. Kastner sheds new light on the prospects for cross-strait military conflict in his new book, War and Peace in the Taiwan Strait. He examines several key regional trends that have complex implications for stability, including deepening economic integration, the shifting balance of military power, uncertainty about the future of U.S. commitment, and domestic political changes in both the PRC and Taiwan. While the risks of conflict are real, they should not be exaggerated.
In an interview conducted by Jessica Chen Weiss on January 11, 2023, Scott Kastner argues that several distinct pathways could lead to the breakout of hostilities, yet war is not inevitable.
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0:00-2:21 Introductions
2:21-8:01 Background on Taiwan
8:01-14:58 How can we avoid conflict while navigating U.S.-China relations?
14:58-20:24 The possibility of unification
20:24-25:16 What are Beijing’s challenges?
25:16-29:10 What is the future of Taiwan?
29:10 Avoiding tragedy
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Angel Hsu, professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill and founder of the Data-Driven EnviroLab, explains how both countries can use their respective competitive advantages to help the world reach net-zero.
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In an interview conducted on December 9, 2022, Material Contradictions co-editors Jennifer Altehenger and Denise Ho, in conversation with Philip Tinari, discuss the significance of physical objects during the Mao period.
0:00-2:22 Introductions
2:22-8:27 Material Contradictions Under Mao
8:27- 17:28 Objects, scarcity, and abundance
17:28-25:45 The political and the commodity
25:45- Agency in consumerism
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In an interview conducted on December 19, 2022, Stephen Roach argues that much of the rhetoric on both sides is dangerously misguided, more a reflection of each nation’s fears and vulnerabilities than a reasonable assessment of the risks they face.
0:00-3:35 U.S.-China uncomfortable codependency
3:35-10:23 False narratives of technology and IP theft
10:23-17:36 Bipartisan rhetoric and economics
17:36-23:48 the trajectory of U.S.-China trade
23:48-26:15 Does China need the U.S.?
26:15-30:35 Economic competition
30:35-Conflict resolutions
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Ambassador Jon M. Huntsman Jr. contextualizes China's need to prioritize domestic stability in a conversation about how U.S. policymakers should "right-size" the China challenge at CHINA Town Hall 2022.
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On October 26, 2022, the National Committee held CHINA Town Hall 2022, a national conversation on how the U.S.-China relationship affects our communities. As one of few Americans to personally know Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, Ambassador Huntsman discussed the ways America can cooperate and compete with China, as both countries confront the most critical issues of the 21st century.
The National Committee is proud to partner with a wide range of institutions and community groups, including colleges and universities, world affairs councils, and trade and business associations to bring this important national conversation to local communities around America for the 16th consecutive year.
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Ambassador Jon M. Huntsman Jr. discusses the CHIPS Act, small nanometer semiconductors, export controls, and more in a conversation about U.S.-China competition at CHINA Town Hall 2022.
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On October 26, 2022, the National Committee held CHINA Town Hall 2022, a national conversation on how the U.S.-China relationship affects our communities. As one of few Americans to personally know Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, Ambassador Huntsman discussed the ways America can cooperate and compete with China, as both countries confront the most critical issues of the 21st century.
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U.S.-China healthcare cooperation - 14:16
Technology competition - 19:30
Russia-China relations - 31:35
Anti-Asian racism - 53:46
Former Ambassador to China, Russia, and Singapore Jon M. Huntsman Jr. is the featured speaker for CHINA Town Hall 2022, a national conversation on how the U.S.-China relationship affects our communities. As one of few Americans to personally know Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, Ambassador Huntsman discussed the ways America can cooperate and compete with China, as both countries confront the most critical issues of the 21st century.
From supply chains to national security, new technologies to climate change, the future of both countries will be determined by their relations with one another and the global community.
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Join the National Committee on Wednesday, November 16 at 7:00 p.m. EST for a nationwide virtual conversation, including Q&A, with a leading authority on foreign policy. As one of few Americans to personally know Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, Ambassador Huntsman will discuss the ways America can cooperate and compete with China, as both countries confront the most critical issues of the 21st century.
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Despite this, in early August, Beijing suspended ongoing U.S.-China talks on climate change in response to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. While some climate experts have argued that what matters most in the fight to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is for the United States and China to take action domestically, the suspension of talks represents a shift in the effort to shield the climate agenda from geopolitics and has implications for the ability of each country, and the world, to meet essential reduction targets.
In conversation with Alex Wang on November 1, 2022, Michael Davidson and Joanna Lewis discuss the significance of the downturn in U.S.-China relations on multilateral climate action.
0:00 Introduction
2:22 How will U.S.-China tensions affect COP27?
6:24 How important is U.S.-China cooperation to global climate action?
9:18 Can the U.S. and China cooperate after COP27?
15:00 Will U.S.-China competition benefit or harm climate action efforts?
25:30 How can the U.S. support domestic climate action initiatives?
30:38 Why is energy security so important?
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On October 26, 2022, the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations held its black-tie Gala Dinner at The Plaza New York. Members and friends gathered to celebrate the over $3 million raised to support the Committee’s mission and work.
0:00 President Xi's remarks
2:35 Minister Xu's remarks
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On October 26, 2022, the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations held its black-tie Gala Dinner at The Plaza New York. Members and friends gathered to celebrate the over $3 million raised to support the Committee’s mission and work.
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On October 26, 2022, the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations held its black-tie Gala Dinner at The Plaza New York. Members and friends gathered to celebrate the over $3 million raised to support the Committee’s mission and work.
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The Gala’s honoree was Evan G. Greenberg, chairman and chief executive officer of Chubb, has made enormous contributions to constructive Sino-American relations. A longtime NCUSCR board member, Mr. Greenberg is currently a vice chair of the National Committee and believes in and strongly supports its mission.
NCUSCR board member and General Atlantic CEO William “Bill” Ford presented the award to Mr. Greenberg. The program also featured remarks from NCUSCR Chair and former U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Jacob J. Lew, NCUSCR President Stephen A. Orlins, and NCUSCR Executive Vice Chair Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, as well as a conversation with United States Trade Representative Katherine Tai. Both President Joe Biden and President Xi Jinping sent letters of congratulations.
0:00 Stephen Orlins's introduction
10:48 Remarks from Dr. Henry Kissinger
15:55 U.S.-China trade with Secretary Lew and Ambassador Tai
41:40 President Biden’s remarks
48:26 President Xi’s remarks
56:18 Introducing gala honoree
1:02:23 Chair Evan Greenberg’s remarks
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In conversation with National Committee President Steve Orlins, Cheng Li provides fresh insights into the main surprises on the personnel front. In addition, Dr. Li discusses whether the appointments reveal any shifts in the balance of power and factional fault lines in Zhongnanhai, what the new leadership suggests about the trajectory of domestic and foreign policy, and what Xi Jinping might have signaled regarding future political succession.
This webinar was conducted at 10:00 a.m. on October 26, 2022, three days after the conclusion of the Party Congress.
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3:02 What is the structure of the Chinese Communist Party?
7:05 Who will be on the Politburo Standing Committee?
10:17 What are the surprises coming out of the 20th Party Congress?
23:28 What will China's foreign policy and economy teams look like?
31:00 How many Politburo members are foreign-educated?
32:56 What are Xi Jinping's priorities in his next term?
38:46 What happened to Hu Chunhua and Hu Jintao?
42:50 Is Qin Gang's ascension to Foreign Minister attributed to his relationship with Xi Jinping?
51:00 What will be the role of the State Council?
55:08 What are the implications for the Taiwan Affairs Office?
58:23 How has China's middle class responded to these appointments?
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October 26, 2022
7:30 – 9:30 p.m. EDT
Speaker Schedule
7:30
Stephen A. Orlins, President, National Committee on U.S.-China Relations
7:40
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Chairman, Kissinger Associates
7:45
Ambassador Katherine Tai, United States Trade Representative
Secretary Jacob J. Lew, Chair, National Committee on U.S.-China Relations (Moderator)
8:15
Dinner service (no speakers)
9:00
Secretary Jacob J. Lew, Chair, National Committee on U.S.-China Relations
Remarks and reading of letter from U.S. President Joseph Biden
9:05
Xu Xueyuan, Chargé d'Affaires ad interim, Deputy Chief of Mission and Minister, Embassy of the PRC in the United States
Remarks and reading of letter from PRC President Xi Jinping
9:10
Bill Ford, Chairman and CEO of General Atlantic
9:15
Evan G. Greenberg, Chairman and CEO, Chubb
Remarks
9:30
Event End
In an interview conducted on October 11, 2022, Aynne Kokas, in conversation with Silvia Lindtner, argues that American complacency provides Chinese firms the opportunity to gather data in the United States and send it back to China, and by extension, to the Chinese government.
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2:04 China’s technological advances and geopolitical power
9:08 United States and China as digitized nations
16:38 Population biometric data and Zero-COVID
20:38 Can data science map Chinese society during the COVID-19 pandemic?
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In a conversation moderated by Sara Newland on October 12, 2022, leading Taiwan experts Jessica Drun and Lev Nachman explore Taiwan’s complex dynamics and implications for the United States and the U.S.-China relationship.
0:00 Introduction
2:48 How did Taiwanese respond to Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit?
10:33 Is the war in Ukraine shifting behavior in Taiwan?
14:53 What's happening with the Taiwanese elections in 2022 and 2024?
19:11 What is the future of the KMT?
23:11 How has Taiwan capitalized on recent soft power wins?
27:35 What should people know about Taiwan?
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In an interview conducted on October 13, 2022, Susan Shirk urges the United States and other countries to respond to China’s overreach with restraint. Understanding the domestic roots of China’s actions will enable the world to avoid the mistakes that could lead to war.
0:00 Introduction
6:05 How is China responding to changes in society?
11:13 The relationship between Beijing, Taiwan, and overseas
18:17 Confucius Institutes as symbols
19:53 Xi Jinping, popularity, and Zero-COVID
26:20 U.S. position on China
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Technology policy expert Paul Triolo joined National Committee President Stephen Orlins for an interview conducted on September 30, 2022, to examine the complex geopolitical tensions surrounding the global semiconductor industry, its role in the U.S.-China relationship, and potential ways forward for the United States and China.
0:00 Introduction
1:43 Why are semiconductors important?
4:44 Will China's semiconductor industry succeed?
9:36 U.S. response and dependence on Taiwan
16:09 Is the CHIPS Act good policy?
20:24 Restrictions, competition, and supply chain
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In an interview conducted on September 21, 2022, China Questions 2 co-editors Maria Adele Carrai and Michael Szonyi argue that we are not facing Cold War 2.0, but rather a complex mix of conflict, competition, and cooperation that must be understood in the domestic realities of the United States and China, as well as the international context.
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2:51-10 Key questions and accessibility
10:00-15:13 Chinese constructive engagement
15:13-20:12 U.S. economic involvement and revisionist powers
20:13-24:07 Has constructive engagement failed?
24:07-36:11The China Questions 2
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In a conversation with Carl Minzner conducted on September 16, 2022, Chin-Hao Huang explains why China considers the views and interests of small states, and how collective action can induce change in its behavior.
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2:51-10 Key questions and accessibility
10:00-15:13 Chinese constructive engagement
15:13-20:12 U.S. economic involvement and revisionist powers
20:13-24:07 Has constructive engagement failed?
24:07-36:11The China Questions 2
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In conversation with Angel Hsu on September 15, 2022, Dr. Moore explores China’s part to play in tackling shared ecological and technological challenges.
0:00-1:51 Introductions
1:51-6:14 Why now? U.S.-China scientific collaboration or rivalry?
6:14-10:30 Cooperation vs. competition
10:30-14:00 Climate and clean energy
14:00-20:22 Can we cooperate with China on climate policy?
20:22-24:45 Chinese innovation
24:45-31:04 How to reengage with Chinese counterparts
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Houze Song, a MacroPolo expert on the Chinese economy, breaks down how China’s slowing economy will impact global trade, American exports, the U.S. stock market, and more.
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Houze Song, a fellow at MacroPolo who specializes in the Chinese economy, explains how slowing economic growth, an aging society, and a looming property crisis have implications not just for China, but for the United States and beyond.
0:00 What is the general trend of China's economic outlook?
0:52 What indicators measure the health of China's economy?
1:56 What are the challenges facing China's economy?
5:08 How will a slowing Chinese economy affect the United States?
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Evan Medeiros of Georgetown University shares his recommendations for managing the U.S.-China relationship in a way that balances both competition and cooperation.
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In a conversation with Lina Benabdallah held on August 19, 2022, Dawn C. Murphy argues that China is constructing an alternative international order.
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this interview are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy or position of the National Defense University, the Department of Defense, or the U.S. Government.
0:00 Introduction
3:33 China’s Alternative World Order
7:50 China in the Middle East and Africa
17:45 Chinese-Global South mediation and diplomacy
25:45 China studies during COVID
30:08 Economic slowdown
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In an interview conducted on August 16, 2022, William C. Kirby examines the rise of the modern research university and liberal education, and the challenges facing higher education institutions in China, the United States, and Germany.
0:00 How did U.S. universities come to lead the world?
3:58 What makes a great university?
6:16 How did the German university model change higher education?
9:53 Why are Harvard, Berkeley, and Duke important to understand for the future of U.S. higher ed?
17:08 What can about Tsinghua, Nanjing University, and the University of Hong Kong tell us about Chinese higher ed?
26:00 Are there barriers to conducting research at Chinese universities?
29:03 Is the deteriorating U.S.-China relationship affecting higher ed in both countries?
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In a conversation moderated by Xiaoyu Pu on August 12, 2022, Álvaro Méndez and Margaret Myers discuss China’s growing involvement in LAC and its implications for the United States.
0:00 Introduction
1:41 China-Latin America
8:55 Debt
12:29 BRI
18:00 U.S.-Latin America
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How has science fiction developed as a genre in China, and what does it reveal about the China’s economic, political, and technological goals? Professor Jing Tsu of Yale University discusses China's growing sci-fi universe and its implications for the rest of the world.
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We asked Anja Manuel, co-founder of a strategic consulting firm that works with the international semiconductor market, to explain how China has developed its semiconductor industry, why it has been so successful, and what the United States can do to learn and adapt.
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Nuclear expert Tong Zhao of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace discusses China's approach to nuclear weapons, its expanding nuclear capabilities, and the potential impact on the U.S.-China security relationship.
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Min Ye discusses the current status and future directions of China’s Belt and Road Initiative in conversation with Ka Zeng.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:20 Who are the BRI actors?
7:48 Global and domestic impact
14:39 Transparency and corruption
20:30 U.S.-China competition
30:14 Economy
32:24 Cooperation
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0:48 One China Principle vs Policy
3:11 Strategic ambiguity
6:05 Pelosi's Taiwan visit
10:32 Future of U.S.-China relations
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China under the leadership of Xi Jinping has become an intense competitor across the globe. economically, technologically, diplomatically, militarily, and in seeking to influence people’s hearts and minds. In this interview conducted on July 21, 2022, Macquarie University Professor Bates Gill explains the fundamental motivations driving the country’s dynamic, assertive, and risk-taking approach to the world.
Professor Gill analyzes how the pursuit of six major goals shapes China's foreign relationships in its Indo-Pacific neighborhood and beyond: 1) legitimacy, 2) sovereignty, 3) wealth, 4) power, 5) leadership, and 6) ideas.
Chapters:
0:00 The book
2:51 Economic growth
8:48 Taiwan
14:23 Xinjiang
18:47 Ukraine
21:55 China as a military threat
26:07 Can diplomacy work?
29:44 People-to-people exchange
33:00 Xi Jinping's mission
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Interview conducted in October 2020.
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