Out of Context Christianity
In this video, I discussed and explain exactly how John Lindell was able to unlawfully bypass his own bylaws and remove church membership without members approval and steal James River Church from the Assemblies of God.
updated 1 year ago
Bill Johnson is easily one of the most dangerous influencers of the church today because of his ability to disguise himself in sheep’s clothing. His ability to itch the ears of Christians and pastors should have all of us on guard and warning our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Lauren and I will spend a few hours (hopefully not 6 😂) laying out the case with plenty of evidence for avoiding Bill Johnson and Bethel Church. This topic is important since John Lindell has made Bill Johnson a staple at James River Church and proclaimed that Bill has “had the most profound impact on John’s walk with God”.
In this Facebook Live, we will address 3 main topics:
- Itching Ears Message
- Guilt by Association
- Rotten Fruit
Our prayer is that this message will equip Christians with actual evidence to see past the sheep’s clothing and see the wolf within.
- Why we made the difficult decision to leave James River Church after 20 years
- The NAR (New Apostolic Reformation)
- John Lindell’s removed message about the NAR
- Unbiblical False Teachings brought into James River Church by Bill Johnson
- Bill Johnson’s and Bethel Church’s influence over critical teachings in the Church
- The future of James River Church should they continue to follow Bill Johnson and Bethel Church.
- Our appeal to fellow Christians that are struggling with strained relationships and what to do in this whole situation.
- My personal appeal to John Lindell.
I encourage all of those confused and concerned about the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) direction of John Lindell James River Church to watch. I will also ask that those that are critical of our stance to be so vocal to watch and pushback in the comments respectfully to anything we say. We welcome godly criticism and critique.
- This Live is available to the public as we will stand on what we say and own it.
- We will not cancel anyone or delete any comments or block anyone as long as they remain respectful.
We had no intention of it taking 6.5 hours long, so we do apologize that it is a lot to get through. We do feel it was important to not rush the or be sensational in our dialogue. We really were just trying to share our heart and genuine concern for John Lindell, James River Church, and the detrimental influence that the NAR is having on the Body of Christ.
My wife and I share our hearts on why we left James River Church and why we been so vocal over the last few months. We also share our story of our time at JRC and why we eventually made the incredibly difficult decision to leave.
We share the story of how God healed our daughter.
We go through the removed Livestream from John's address last Wednesday night that someone has anonymously provided. This is telling that John decided to switch the livestream to a previous message and not broadcast the full NAR address to the online campus and our community that needs to know the dangers involved in this fast growing movement.
Thank you so much for your encouragement, private messages, and prayers. We are in turn praying for those that are suffering from the pain this movement has caused the Church.
Please pray that this will be used to bring clarity and healing to many that are going through a very difficult time with their loved ones on how to handle the changes in the church and pastor we all love!
Time codes
0:00 - Intro
0:46 - Housekeeping
4:46 - Key Topics Layout
11:47 - Our Background at JRC
19:45 - God Heals our daughter
27:15 - Biblical Continuationist
28:45 - Why we left JRC?
38:45 - John addressing Bill’s visit
40:05 - Why speak out? - Slander, Gossip, Division
43:50 - Mathew 18 Double Standard
47:00 - My attempts to connect with leadership
48:01 - Bethel Leaving the Assemblies of God
49:01 - John shuts down the concern about Bill
53:00 - Why publicly rebuke?
54:04 - John Lindell’s message on The NAR New Apostolic Reformation (Intro)
1:02:25 - John Lindell defines NAR with Wikipedia
1:09:50 - C. Peter Wagner (father of the NAR)
1:11:26 - False Prophetess Cindy Jacobs
1:16:10 - The Passion Translation Endorsements
1:18:13 - Brian Simmons talks about a new book of the Bible.
1:28:40 - Modern-Day Apostle Book Endorsements
1:32:33 - John Lindell falsely claims that Bill is not involved in the NAR
1:50:00 - AG Position Paper - Deviant Teachings Disapproved
1:56:45 - John defines Apostles Biblically
2:07:40 - Apostles vs Apostolic gifts - not the same
2:08:00 - Questions we should ask about Apostles
2:14:14 - Lord of the Rings decree at Bethel by Bill Johnson
2:18:08 - John passes on the question of modern day Apostles
2:21:21 - John supports the Latter Rain Movement that the AG rejected
2:24:02 - What is the world’s greatest revival and what caused it?
2:36:01 - John asserts that the term Apostle doesn’t matter.
2:37:20 - NAR Prophets John doesn’t answer
2:42:00 - John Lindell from the past addresses Prophets and calls out false prophecy
2:46:20 - My plea to John Lindell!
3:19:40 - Dangers of NAR for the Anti-Christ
3:22:50 - False Teachings at James River Church
3:23:55 - Most profound impact on John Lindell’s walk with God is Bill Johnson
3:25:10 - Kenosis
3:45:15 - The Little gods doctrine
3:48:36 - Words of Knowledge
4:01:55 - Impartation
4:03:26 - It’s always God’s will to heal!
4:07:50 - You can lose your healing!
4:10:51 - False Prophecy encouraged at James River Church
4:14:40 - Partial Healing / False Healings
4:39:15 - Camp is missing the Gospel yet “salvations” are counted
4:46:15 - Selective Healing
4:50:10 - Special Move of God
4:52:05 - New Revelation - Spare Body Parts Room
4:54:45 - Where does the false teaching lead and what are its bad fruits?
5:50:10 - Grave soaking or Picking up the Mantel
6:01:50 - Closing thoughts and questions
Let me be clear..as long as you ask God for forgiveness, apologize to those you’ve wronged, and set the record straight,
- You can make a mistake and be a pastor
- You can make a false statement and be a pastor
- You can even lie and be a pastor
- However, you can not perpetuate lies, and still be a pastor
Simply put, if John is unwilling to repent, apologize and correct this issue, he is biblically unqualified to pastor any church according to 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1:7.
John Lindell made a mistake when inviting Alex Magala to the Men’s Conference. A mistake that he has now partially apologized for after extreme public pressure this past Sunday 4/21. We should always have grace for our pastors when they make a mistake and correct it. We all make mistakes and want the same grace in return.
Unfortunately before he apologized for the original mistake, he made many false statements.
As you can see, the original mistake of inviting Alex Magala was nothing compared to these false statements made last Wednesday.
We can and should always have grace for pastors to even get information wrong and even make false statements. In this situation, it is hard to see how with all of the available information on Instagram and Google that Pastor John Lindell didn’t do a little digging himself to find out the truth that Alex was not a “new creation” or a “brother in Christ” as defined in scripture. However, let’s extend even more grace and assume the John was given false information that he failed to check before he repeated it last Wednesday. I am concerned that Pastor John Lindell would not do his own research before making a decision to publicly rebuke Mark Driscoll and falsely defining what a christian should look like by elevating Alex as a “born again believer”.
After last Wednesday night’s message, even more information became available to confirm that Wednesday night was full of false statements. Multiple people reached out to the church, multiple videos made, including mine which called for John to repent, apologize and correct the record.
I believe the “Body of Christ” was hopeful that John would take Sunday’s service on 4/21 to repent, apologize, and “set the record straight” for the sin of spreading false information and instead he apologized only for the original mistake and made no mention of the Wednesday night service.
False statements become lies when there is a clear intention or motive to deceive. We can now confidently say that these false statements are lies since there has been no intention to address them and correct them.
It’s like we tell our kids, if you make a mistake, don’t make it worse by intentionally lying about it… This is what we have to conclude at this point.
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The Gospel message is damaged and His church is hurt for every day that these false statements are left to stand and even worse perpetuated by 135k views on YouTube before the video went private, 258k views on Facebook currently available as of 4/25, and countless streams on Spotify and Apple Podcasts that are also currently running as of 4/25 . John Lindell has even gone as far as to use church funds to promote these lies on these platforms.
I am a concerned Christian that is in love, prayerfully and boldly calling for John Lindell to publicly repent, apologize to those you’ve damaged, and correct the lies you have promoted from this last week to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.
I am praying that those in authority will have the courage to uphold what scripture demands of all christians, but especially a Pastor with a platform like John Lindell’s.
I know with every day that passes, this becomes more damaging and even harder to correct, but just because it is difficult, doesn’t mean it isn’t the right thing. I am praying God will give you John Lindell conviction, courage, humility, integrity, and character to right this wrong.
- We are called to defend and preserve the truth of Gospel, not man.
- Brushing this sin under the rug is not how we as a “body of christ” honor God
This is the time for Godly men at James River Church, the Church Board at James River, leaders at the Assembly of God, and the body of christ to bring accountability that honors God.
The world looks at this and sees the hypocrisy and is a stain on the bride of christ.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
How long can these false statements stand without an apology or correction before we consider them intentionally deceptive and lies?
How many lies can one tell and how long can one go without apologizing for the lies and “setting the record straight” before one becomes a liar?
To watch the Full Video click this link below:
See the Facts through the Noise - John Lindell and Mark Driscoll Controversy
youtu.be/i0kh3xe8s0E
4:03 - My apology to Pastor John Lindell
In this video I will attempt to remain impartial while presenting factually the situation between John Lindell and Mark Driscoll. I do give my opinion 1:27:09 if you want to skip that. ;)
Call me out if you believe I misrepresent anything or if I leave out any important facts.
(Men’s Conference 4/12/24 - 4/13/24)
9:00 - The Sword Swallowing
14:00 - Mark Speaks of the Jezebel Spirit
15:00 - John stops Mark and address the conference
17:36 - Mark apologizes to John Lindell
(John’s discussion with James River Church 4/17/24)
Full Video: youtu.be/ntlnbT65GY4?si=wR8mcccpbgYwqC6_
19:40 - John says Mark has sinned at the conference and the days that followed
19:51 - John says Alex Magala is a Born again Christian for the last 10 years with Kids
20:13 - John says that Alex boldly shared his faith at the airport
21:29 - Alex Magala clarifies John’s statements (instagram.com/reel/C58f1WeoHas/?igsh=cjBqb201NjM0enBn)
22:54 - Alex explains his definition of “giving his life to god”
25:54 - John says Mark knows that Alex is a “Brother in Christ” and has done nothing to quell his followers
26:13 - John accuses mark of going after book sales, gain clicks, and increase donations
29:52 - John says that Mark did not apologize on the stage at the conference and Jimmy Evens agrees
31:11 - Mark apologizes to John on the stage at the conference
32:00 - John reads text where Mark says he is grateful for the way John handled the confrontation
34:10 - Mark sends text to saying David warning of a media discovery and that he isn’t sharing this with anyone
34:52 - John says Mark has been embarrassed publicly and going to create a firestorm
35:42 - Mark texts gay porn stripper to David Lindell
36:55 - Mark texts that the info they have on Alex is demonic
37:20 - John texts Mark to tell him that Alex was a believer
39:48 - John texts Mark that should be continue to say that Alex is not a believer than John will seek “mediation”
41:10 - Mark removes the photo of John and Mark together
42:25 - Mark says that his plan is to stay silent on Alex Magala
42:47 - John says Mark is being deceptive
42:55 - John says that Mark knew Alex was a Christian but that story line would ruin Mark’s ability to generate clicks and sales
44:58 - John suggests that Mark was behind people discovering information on Alex
47:00 - John shares voicemail of Mark saying he will stay silent
48:10 - Mark says in a voicemail that he will do anything to help including a shield o protect them
49:50 - Mark asserts in a phone call that he is not wrong about Alex
Call between David and Mark - List of statements made by Mark (as David remembers it)
50:55 - 1) There is something wrong at James River Church
51:00 - 2) Mark says that the leadership is “enmeshment”
52:23 - 3) Definition of “enmeshment”
52:50 - 4) There is something evil at work at James River
53:05 - 5) David you need to differentiate
55:00 - 6) Something is wrong with Brandon
55:24 - 8) David needs to differentiate
57:25 - John confronts Mark via text.
58:06 - John lists the egregious actions of Mark towards the Lindells calling it demonic
1:01:04 - Jimmy Evans is brought (step 2 of Matthew 18)
1:01:52 - Jimmy Evans asks Mark to repent for saying Alex is not a Christian and causing not calming the threats to James River Church
1:05:00 - John explains the church and the AG headquarters has gotten threats
1:07:30 - John says that Mark has done nothing to calm the vigilante acts of his followers
1:09:30 - John explains that if Mark refuses to repent no believer should have anything to do with Mark Driscoll
1:11:38 - John calls on Mark to repent for a list of items
1:13:29 - John asks Mark to repent for refusing to stop the spreading of lies regarding a “Bother in Christ” - Alex Magala
1:14:15 - John asks Mark to repent for causing disunity in the “Body of Christ”
1:14:54 - John calls Mark to repent for trying to divide brothers and allocations against Brandon
1:15:48 - John calls in Mark to publicly repent for trying to destroy James River Church
1:17:04 - John calls for those that follow Mark Driscoll ministries to reconsider their support
1:18:05 - John asks for myself and others who initially voiced concerns about Alex Magala being a brother in Christ to repent for spreading “false information”
1:19:58 - My request for John to correct his false information
1:20:30 - The James River Church video with multiple false statements is still online and even being promoted for views ( sorry it was cropped-check previous posts)
1:22:37 John apologizes for having Alex Magala and Mark Driscoll to the Stronger Men’s Conference
1:26:12 - Questions to consider
1:29:07 - My Opinion
1:35:03 - My call for John to repent and correct the false statements made Wednesday 4/17/24 and remove the video from all sites.
Full Videos available below for context and to allow you to draw your own conclusions.
- Pastor John’s original video can be found on the church’s YouTube Page
- I have attached the full unedited video of Alex Magala’s post today.
Full Videos available below for context and to allow you to draw your own conclusions.
- Pastor John’s original video can be found on the church’s YouTube Page
- I have attached the full unedited video of Alex Magala’s post today.
Full Videos available below for context and to allow you to draw your own conclusions.
- Pastor John’s original video can be found on the church’s YouTube Page
- Alex Magala’s full video can be found on his IG and FB
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@JamesRiverChurch
Entire analysis here:
See the Facts through the Noise - John Lindell and Mark Driscoll Controversy
youtu.be/i0kh3xe8s0E


