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Are we just talking about the next generation, or are we actually giving them the keys?
In this episode, Grant sits down with his longtime friend and the founder of Pulse, Nick Hall, for a high-stakes conversation about what it looks like to be a missionary maker in today's culture. Nick is known for his unique ability to spot young leaders in their teens and put them on the world's biggest stages—from Viking Stadium to local mission fields.
Together, they pull back the curtain on why the fire and passion of Gen Z is exactly what the global Church needs right now and why we have to stop policing where young people can go and start accelerating where God is calling them. If you're a young leader wondering if you're ready or an older leader looking to multiply your impact, this conversation is your roadmap for moving from personal platform to kingdom legacy.
In this conversation, they dive into:
✅ The Kingmaker vs. Missionary Maker: Why Nick chooses to platform teenagers for major initiatives and how that shifts the trajectory of their leadership.
✅ Leading from Scars, Not Wounds: The vital importance of emotional health and why the most effective leaders lead from a place of healed-over scars rather than open, unaddressed wounds.
✅ The Normal Evangelist: Breaking the awkwardness of sharing your faith and why Nick believes the Bible doesn't actually support a private faith.
✅ Invitation Over Condemnation: Understanding that God's voice is always an invitation to change, never a tool for shame.
✅ Gen Z Fire: Why this generation's hunger for the Gospel is different and how to steward that passion without burning out.
Comment "BATON" to get this podcast episode sent to your DMs.
Are we just talking about the next generation, or are we actually giving them the keys?
In this episode, Grant sits down with his longtime friend and the founder of Pulse, Nick Hall, for a high-stakes conversation about what it looks like to be a missionary maker in today's culture. Nick is known for his unique ability to spot young leaders in their teens and put them on the world's biggest stages—from Viking Stadium to local mission fields.
Together, they pull back the curtain on why the fire and passion of Gen Z is exactly what the global Church needs right now and why we have to stop policing where young people can go and start accelerating where God is calling them. If you're a young leader wondering if you're ready or an older leader looking to multiply your impact, this conversation is your roadmap for moving from personal platform to kingdom legacy.
In this conversation, they dive into:
✅ The Kingmaker vs. Missionary Maker: Why Nick chooses to platform teenagers for major initiatives and how that shifts the trajectory of their leadership.
✅ Leading from Scars, Not Wounds: The vital importance of emotional health and why the most effective leaders lead from a place of healed-over scars rather than open, unaddressed wounds.
✅ The Normal Evangelist: Breaking the awkwardness of sharing your faith and why Nick believes the Bible doesn't actually support a private faith.
✅ Invitation Over Condemnation: Understanding that God's voice is always an invitation to change, never a tool for shame.
✅ Gen Z Fire: Why this generation's hunger for the Gospel is different and how to steward that passion without burning out.
