Uploaded August 2025 | Updated September 2026, 4 hours ago
There have been countless arguments throughout millennia among great thinkers and scholars debating what organ in our body really runs the show. Is it the brain that stores our thoughts and information that drives our human spirit or our hearts that not only pump blood throughout our bodies but guide our feelings and emotions?
Rollin McCraty, executive VP and director of research for the HeartMath Institute, describes how our energetic hearts allow us to connect to our deeper selves and the world via a consciousness upgrade this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Rollin’s work at the HeartMath Institute website at heartmath.org and on social media via Facebook at facebook.com/HeartMathInstitute and facebook.com/GlobalCoherenceInitiative , YouTube at youtube.com/user/HeartMathInstitute and Instagram at instagram.com/heartmathinstitute .
Download a free copy of Science of the Heart: Exploring the Role of the Heart in Human Performance Volume 2 at heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart
0:00 Intro
4:40 Rollin’s early career in the military (learning missile systems) mirrored Paul’s experience working on helicopters.
11:00 A curious Rollin asks questions his college professors couldn’t be bothered to answer.
18:20 HeartMath founder Doc Lew Childre meets Rollin for the first time.
24:13 A series of transformations.
28:44 The energetic heart and the spiritual heart.
36:16 “Of course, DNA is an antenna.”
43:36 The main message of HeartMath aligns with Rollin’s spiritual philosophy.
52:03 Have you changed your world paradigms lately?
1:07:01 How do you describe coherence?
1:12:05 Heart rate variability: The most reflective measurement of a person’s emotional state.
1:17:52 The vagus nerve connection.
1:28:04 Love as the organizing intelligence that informs our physical reality.
1:31:07 Love as a spectrum of frequencies.
1:42:47 How the heart informs our emotional experiences.
1:46:20 What separates us from our pets.
1:52:33 Water, electromagnetic fields and the human heartbeat.
2:01:48 “The two primary magnetic rhythms of Earth overlap our physiology — our heart and brain — exactly and it’s not close.”
2:12:24 The baseline frequency for our planet is love, yet humanity has been out of phase of that baseline for a long time.
2:25:58 The AI problem.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Rollin McCraty and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/359-why-your-heart-not-your-brain-is-the-real-master-with-rollin-mccraty
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears
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There have been countless arguments throughout millennia among great thinkers and scholars debating what organ in our body really runs the show. Is it the brain that stores our thoughts and information that drives our human spirit or our hearts that not only pump blood throughout our bodies but guide our feelings and emotions?
Rollin McCraty, executive VP and director of research for the HeartMath Institute, describes how our energetic hearts allow us to connect to our deeper selves and the world via a consciousness upgrade this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Rollin’s work at the HeartMath Institute website at heartmath.org and on social media via Facebook at facebook.com/HeartMathInstitute and facebook.com/GlobalCoherenceInitiative , YouTube at youtube.com/user/HeartMathInstitute and Instagram at instagram.com/heartmathinstitute .
Download a free copy of Science of the Heart: Exploring the Role of the Heart in Human Performance Volume 2 at heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart
0:00 Intro
4:40 Rollin’s early career in the military (learning missile systems) mirrored Paul’s experience working on helicopters.
11:00 A curious Rollin asks questions his college professors couldn’t be bothered to answer.
18:20 HeartMath founder Doc Lew Childre meets Rollin for the first time.
24:13 A series of transformations.
28:44 The energetic heart and the spiritual heart.
36:16 “Of course, DNA is an antenna.”
43:36 The main message of HeartMath aligns with Rollin’s spiritual philosophy.
52:03 Have you changed your world paradigms lately?
1:07:01 How do you describe coherence?
1:12:05 Heart rate variability: The most reflective measurement of a person’s emotional state.
1:17:52 The vagus nerve connection.
1:28:04 Love as the organizing intelligence that informs our physical reality.
1:31:07 Love as a spectrum of frequencies.
1:42:47 How the heart informs our emotional experiences.
1:46:20 What separates us from our pets.
1:52:33 Water, electromagnetic fields and the human heartbeat.
2:01:48 “The two primary magnetic rhythms of Earth overlap our physiology — our heart and brain — exactly and it’s not close.”
2:12:24 The baseline frequency for our planet is love, yet humanity has been out of phase of that baseline for a long time.
2:25:58 The AI problem.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Rollin McCraty and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/359-why-your-heart-not-your-brain-is-the-real-master-with-rollin-mccraty
Thanks to our awesome sponsors!
• CHEK Institute/CHEK Academy https://chek.group/chekacademy (submit your application for the CHEK Academy TODAY!)
• Korrect korrectlife.com/spiritgym (save 15% on the newest drink supplement by Aubrey Marcus by using the code SPIRITGYM at checkout)
• Organifi organifi.com/chek20 (save 20% on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout)
• Paleovalley paleovalley.com/chek15 (save 15% on your first purchase)
• BIOptimizers bioptimizers.com/spiritgym (save an extra 10% on your purchase by using the code PAUL10 at checkout)
• Wild Pastures wildpastures.com/paulchek (save 20% and free shipping for life plus $15 on your first order)
• Pique Life piquelife.com/paulchek (save up to 20% for life and get a FREE starter kit when you subscribe to one or more of Pique’s amazing beverages!)
We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears
All Rights Reserved MusicFit Records 2024 at musicfitrecords.com
