80,000 Hours
#3 - Dr Dario Amodei on OpenAI and how AI will change the world for good and ill
updated
In this episode:
• The Mommy Wars [00:04:37]
• Pregnancy [00:12:24]
• Recent developments in pregnancy [00:30:29]
• Childbirth [00:36:05]
• First year to toddlerhood [00:56:46]
• Careers and kids [01:15:13]
• How much to work [01:39:30]
• Cost of childcare [01:56:46]
• When to have kids and fertility considerations [02:01:58]
• Impact of kids on relationships [02:08:41]
• How Emily can best contribute to the world [02:19:38]
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They also talk about discourse around AI and its risks online, and a sad decline in curiosity and open-mindedness about these issues; plus government abuse of AI, militarisation of AI, and how a curious listener can try to stay on top of everything that’s going on.
In this episode:
• What can AI do? [00:03:55]
• Nowcasting vs forecasting [00:14:49]
• Medicine [00:26:06]
• Self-driving cars [00:38:04]
• The next ChatGPT [00:49:50]
• Robotics [00:58:37]
• AI discourse [01:05:37]
• Anti-regulation rhetoric backfiring [01:38:32]
• Ethics and safety of AI today [02:09:39]
• AI weapons [02:29:41]
• Ways to keep up with AI progress [02:35:06]
• Takeaways [02:41:34]
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That’s the central theme of today’s episode with Nathan Labenz — entrepreneur, AI scout, and host of The Cognitive Revolution podcast. Nathan saw the AI revolution coming years ago, and, astonished by the research he was seeing, set aside his role as CEO of Waymark and made it his full-time job to understand AI capabilities across every domain. He has been obsessively tracking the AI world since — including joining OpenAI’s “red team” that probed GPT-4 to find ways it could be abused, long before it was public.
In this episode:
• AI scout mindset [00:08:06]
• Introduction to The Cognitive Revolution excerpt [00:11:50]
• Excerpt from The Cognitive Revolution: Nathan's narrative [00:15:13]
• Why it's hard to imagine a much better game board [01:18:10]
• What OpenAI has been doing right [01:24:14]
• Arms racing and China [01:36:04]
• OpenAI's single-minded focus on AGI [01:42:10]
• Transparency about capabilities [01:52:55]
• Benefits of releasing models [02:01:56]
• Was it OK to release GPT-4? [02:13:14]
• Why no statement from the OpenAI board [02:30:31]
• Ezra Klein on the OpenAI story [02:50:59]
• The upside of AI merits taking some risk [03:12:59]
• Meta and open source [03:26:44]
• Nathan's journey into the AI world [03:37:26]
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In this episode:
• Long-run implications of AI [00:06:48]
• Political instability [00:15:25]
• Lock-in scenarios [00:23:01]
• Alignment problem [00:33:31]
• High level overview of Bostrom [00:39:34]
• Brain in a box [00:50:11]
• Contenders for types of advanced systems [00:58:42]
• Implications of smoothness [01:04:07]
• Groups of people who disagree [01:18:28]
• Orthogonality thesis [01:25:04]
• Entanglement and capabilities [01:37:26]
• Instrumental convergence [01:43:11]
• Treacherous turn [02:07:55]
• Where does this leave us? [02:15:19]
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Such concepts might even cause harm — trying to make a project embody all three is as likely to ruin it as help it flourish.
In this episode:
• Pre-policy plans [00:07:45]
• ‘Sustainability’, and other myths in typical international development practice [00:20:45]
• How the development industry sees evidence-based development [00:50:40]
• Initiatives in Africa that should be significantly curtailed [00:55:39]
• Misaligned incentives within the development industry [01:04:55]
• Deworming: the early days [01:20:17]
• The problem of deworming [01:33:36]
• The importance of a theory of change [02:30:54]
• Ways that things have changed since 2006 [02:35:16]
• Academic work vs policy work [02:37:42]
• Fit for Purpose [02:42:49]
• Living in Kenya [02:59:41]
• Underrated life advice [03:04:38]
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Most people who want to pursue a research career feel they need a degree to get taken seriously. But Chris not only doesn’t have a PhD, but doesn’t even have an undergraduate degree. After dropping out of university to help defend an acquaintance who was facing bogus criminal charges, Chris started independently working on machine learning research, and eventually got an internship at Google Brain, a leading AI research group.
In this interview — a follow-up to our episode on his technical work — we discuss what, if anything, can be learned from his unusual career path. Should more people pass on university and just throw themselves at solving a problem they care about? Or would it be foolhardy for others to try to copy a unique case like Chris’?
In this episode:
• Defending a falsely accused friend [00:04:24]
• Why Chris didn’t go back to university [00:13:21]
• Switching to machine learning [00:19:33]
• How Chris got his foot in the door in machine learning [00:27:34]
• DeepDream [00:30:52]
• Lessons from Chris’ unconventional career track [00:38:13]
• Is it important to go to grad school or work at the best lab? [00:46:01]
• Strategies for growing as a researcher [00:50:17]
• Cold emails [00:55:25]
• Research as a market [00:59:02]
• Explaining complex things really well [01:02:26]
• Distill [01:13:12]
• Micromarriages [01:19:28]
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Alexander Berger leads Open Philanthropy’s ‘Global Health and Wellbeing’ programme, where he oversees around $175 million in grants each year, and ultimately aspires to disburse billions in the most impactful ways he and his team can identify.
This programme is the flagship effort representing one major effective altruist approach: try to improve the health and wellbeing of humans and animals that are alive today, in clearly identifiable ways, applying an especially analytical and empirical mindset.
The programme makes grants to tackle easily-prevented illnesses among the world’s poorest people, offer cash to people living in extreme poverty, prevent cruelty to billions of farm animals, advance biomedical science, and improve criminal justice and immigration policy in the United States.
Open Philanthropy’s researchers rely on empirical information to guide their decisions where it’s available, and where it’s not, they aim to maximise expected benefits to recipients through careful analysis of the gains different projects would offer and their relative likelihoods of success.
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Some think machine learning could alter 21st century life in a similar way.
In addition to massively changing everyday life, past general purpose technologies have also changed the nature of war. For example, when electricity was introduced to the battlefield, commanders gained the ability to quickly communicate with units far away in the field.
How might international security be altered if the impact of machine learning is similar in scope to that of electricity? This episode's guest, Helen Toner, helped found the Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET) at Georgetown University to help policymakers prepare for any such disruptive technical changes that might threaten international peace.
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But in this episode, Toby Ord — moral philosopher at the University of Oxford and one of the founding figures of effective altruism — lays out three reasons to be cautious about the idea of maximising the good that you do. He suggests that rather than “doing the most good that we can,” perhaps we should be happy with a more modest and manageable goal: “doing most of the good that we can.”
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They cover:
• The jobs most and least exposed to AI
• Whether we’ll we see mass unemployment in the short term
• How long it took other technologies like electricity and computers to have economy-wide effects
• Whether AI will increase or decrease inequality
• Whether AI will lead to explosive economic growth
• What we can we learn from history, and reasons to think this time is different
• Career advice for a world of LLMs
• Why Michael is starting a new org to relieve talent bottlenecks through accelerated learning, and how you can get involved
• Michael’s take on AI-generated music, as a musician
• And plenty more.
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The first half of this conversation is a searingly honest account of Howie’s story, including losing a job he loved due to a depressed episode, what it was like to be basically out of commission for over a year, how he got back on his feet, and the things he still finds difficult today.
The second half covers practical advice. Conventional wisdom on mental health can be really focused on cultivating willpower — telling depressed people that the virtuous thing to do is to start exercising, improve their diet and sleep, and generally fix all their problems before turning to therapy and medication as some sort of last resort. Howie tries his best to be a corrective to this misguided attitude and pragmatically focus on what actually matters — doing whatever will help you get better.
Mental illness is one of the things that most often trips up people who could otherwise enjoy flourishing careers and have a large social impact, so we think this could plausibly be one of our more valuable episodes.
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But there’s also good reason to think that that is simply impossible. The idea that there’s a boring future that’s internally coherent is an illusion that comes from not inspecting those scenarios too closely.
At least that is what Holden Karnofsky — founder of charity evaluator GiveWell and foundation Open Philanthropy — argues in his new article series titled ‘The Most Important Century’. He hopes to lay out part of the worldview that’s driving the strategy and grantmaking of Open Philanthropy’s longtermist team, and encourage more people to join his efforts to positively shape humanity’s future.
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Learn about three ways to make a difference in any job.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Here we offer a summary of all the best advice on how to get the job you want.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Learn how to make a flexible A/B/Z career plan.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Every community’s unique, so try out several and see which are best for you and your career. If you liked this guide, then you’ll probably share aims with lots of people in the effective altruism community, which we helped start back in 2011.
Here we explain how being part of a community can help.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Examples include working at high-performing growing organisations, graduate studies in certain subjects such as economics, or learning concrete skills like information security or China expertise. Be careful with humanities PhDs, charity jobs, and vocational qualifications.
Get a list of ways to put yourself in a better position.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
To help the most people, think broadly about the paths where you can make the biggest contribution, including research, communications and community-building, taking high-earning jobs to donate to charity, government and policy, and organisation-building.
Here we lay out five types of high-impact career.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Examples include working at high-performing growing organisations, graduate studies in certain subjects such as economics, or learning concrete skills like information security or China expertise. Be careful with humanities PhDs, charity jobs, and vocational qualifications.
Here we lay out many strategies for putting yourself in a better position.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
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Learn how to compare global problems.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Here we explain what we’ve learnt about the world’s most urgent problems.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Find out why your choice of career really matters for the world.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
Find out the six key ingredients of fulfilling work.
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You have 80,000 hours in your career. That’s a long time.
Spend a few hours on this guide, to help you work out how to use the rest. We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
Read the 2023 career guide with all its references and appendices on the 80,000 Hours website:
80000hours.org/career-guide
We believe you might be able to find a career that is both more satisfying and has a greater positive impact.
In the introduction, we cover what the 80,000 Hours career guide is based on and how to use it best.
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Humanity made these amazing and ever-improving tools. So how do our creations work? In short: we don’t know.
Chris Olah finds this both absurd and unacceptable. Over the last ten years he has been a leader in the effort to unravel what’s really going on inside these black boxes. As part of that effort he helped create the famous DeepDream visualisations at Google Brain, reverse engineered the CLIP image classifier at OpenAI, and is now continuing his work at Anthropic.
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In today’s episode, Rob Wiblin asks Anders:
• Is it worth the money to freeze your body after death in the hope of future revival, like Anders has done?
• How much is our perception of the risk of nuclear war biased by the fact that we wouldn’t be alive to think about it had one happened?
• If biomedical research lets us slow down ageing would culture stagnate under the crushing weight of centenarians?
• What long-shot drugs can people take in their 70s to stave off death?
• Can science extend human (waking) life by cutting our need to sleep?
• How bad would it be if a solar flare took down the electricity grid? Could it happen?
• If you’re a scientist and you discover something exciting but dangerous, when should you keep it a secret and when should you share it?
• Will lifelike robots make us more inclined to dehumanise one another?
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The ‘aestivation hypothesis’ is the invention of Dr Sandberg, a Senior Research Fellow at the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University, where he looks at low-probability, high-impact risks, predicting the capabilities of future technologies and very long-range futures for humanity.
The fun and far-ranging conversation in this episode covers this and other possible explanations to the Fermi paradox, as well as questions like:
• Should we want optimists or pessimists working on our most important problems?
• How should we reason about low probability, high impact risks?
• Would a galactic civilization want to stop the stars from burning?
• What would be the best strategy for exploring and colonising the universe?
• How can you stay coordinated when you’re spread across different galaxies?
• What should humanity decide to do with its future?
Update: In April 2019, the key theory Dr Sandberg puts forward for why aliens may delay their activities was strongly disputed in a new paper (arxiv.org/abs/1902.06730), which claims it is based on an incorrect understanding of the physics of computation.
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They cover:
• Why it makes sense to focus on deliberately released pandemics
• Case studies of people who actually wanted to kill billions of humans
• How many people have the technical ability to produce dangerous viruses
• The different threats of stealth and wildfire pandemics that could crash civilisation
• The potential for AI models to increase access to dangerous pathogens
• Why scientists try to identify new pandemic-capable pathogens, and the case against that research
• Technological solutions, including UV lights and advanced PPE
• Using CRISPR-based gene drive to fight diseases and reduce animal suffering
• And plenty more.
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They cover:
• The epic new book Anders is working on, and whether he’ll ever finish it
• Whether there’s a best possible world or we can just keep improving forever
• What wars might look like if the galaxy is mostly settled
• The impediments to AI or humans making it to other stars
• How the universe will end a million trillion years in the future
• Whether it’s useful to wonder about whether we’re living in a simulation
• The 'grabby aliens' theory
• Whether civilisations get more likely to fail the older they get
• The best way to generate energy that could ever exist
• Black hole bombs
• Whether superintelligence is necessary to get a lot of value
• The likelihood that life from elsewhere has already visited Earth
• And plenty more.
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But far from the stereotype of the incorrigibly optimistic tech founder, Mustafa is deeply worried about the future, for reasons he lays out in his new book _The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the 21st Century's Greatest Dilemma_ (coauthored with Michael Bhaskar). In _The Coming Wave_ Mustafa lays out a 10-part agenda for 'containment' -- that is to say, for limiting the negative and unforeseen consequences of emerging technologies.
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Or, if you’d like to read more on our research into the world’s most pressing problems and how you can use your career to solve them, find our website at https://80000hours.org.
*CHAPTERS*
0:00 Introduction
0:46 Existential risk from AI
02:45 AI systems are “black boxes”
03:26 AI systems might develop secondary goals
05:31 How could an AI disempower humanity?
06:13 Maybe it’ll be fine
06:51 Misuse of AI
07:18 The future is uncertain
08:16 Solutions
09:09 Conclusion
*CREDITS*
Written and Directed by Phoebe Brooks
pbrooksfilms.com
Narrator - Luisa Rodriguez
Director of Photography - Jack Worrall
Production Designer - Anna Shearing
Camera Assistant - Ciaron Craig
Gaffer - Alex Cullen
Executive Producer - Bella Forristal
With thanks to Benjamin Hilton, Arden Koehler, Kempe Gay-Brydges, Nik Mastroddi, Cody Fenwick, Matt Reardon, and Lauren Kuhns.
*OUR RESEARCH*
Preventing an AI-related catastrophe: 80000hours.org/problem-profiles/artificial-intelligence
AI safety technical research: 80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-safety-researcher
AI governance and coordination: 80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-policy-and-strategy
And all our articles and podcasts on AI: 80000hours.org/topic/world-problems/most-pressing-problems/artificial-intelligence
Our research principles: 80000hours.org/about/credibility/research-principles
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Centre for AI Safety (2023) safe.ai/statement-on-ai-risk
Bergal & Beckstead (2021) alignmentforum.org/posts/CzZ6Fch4JSpwCpu6C/interpretability
Carlsmith (2022) arxiv.org/abs/2206.13353
Russell (2020) 80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/stuart-russell-human-compatible-ai
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Today's guest Jan Leike, Head of Alignment at OpenAI, will be co-leading the project.
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…is probably your career.
The first reason for this is the huge amount of time at stake. You have about 80,000 hours in your career: 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, for 40 years. That’s more time than you’ll spend eating, socialising, and watching Netflix put together.
And it means (unless you happen to be the heir to a large estate) that time is the biggest resource you have to help others.
So if you can increase the overall impact of your career by just a tiny amount, it will likely do more good than changes you could make to other parts of your life.
Or, to look at it another way, it’s worth thinking a lot about how to make even just small improvements to your career. For instance, if you could increase the impact of your career by 1%, it would be worth spending up to 800 hours working out how to do that.
And that brings us to the second reason why your choice of career is so important: some careers give you the opportunity to do vastly more good for the world than others — to a much greater extent than people realise.
In fact, we argue that some career paths open to you likely have 10 or 100 or even 1,000 times more impact than others. And this makes it even more important to think hard about your career.
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But according to Kelsey Piper, staff writer for the new _Future Perfect_ section on Vox’s website focused on effective altruist themes, Future Perfect’s goal is to run in the opposite direction and make room for more substantive coverage that’s not tied to the news cycle.
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Pro-market economists love to wax rhapsodic about the capacity of markets to pull together the valuable local information spread across all of society and solve this so-called ‘knowledge problem’.
But when it comes to politics and voting – which also aim to aggregate the preferences and knowledge found in millions of individuals – the enthusiasm for finding clever institutional designs turns to skepticism.
Today’s guest, freewheeling economist Glen Weyl, won’t have it, and is on a warpath to reform liberal democratic institutions in order to save them.
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What’s the opposite of cancer?
If you answered “cure,” “antidote,” or “antivenom” — you’ve obviously been reading the antonym section at www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/cancer.
But today’s guest Athena Aktipis says that the opposite of cancer is us: it’s having a functional multicellular body that’s cooperating effectively in order to make that multicellular body function.
If, like us, you found her answer far more satisfying than the dictionary, maybe you could consider closing your dozens of merriam-webster.com tabs, and start listening to this podcast instead.
As Athena explains in her book The Cheating Cell, what we see with cancer is a breakdown in each of the foundations of cooperation that allowed multicellularity to arise:
* Cells will proliferate when they shouldn’t.
* Cells won’t die when they should.
* Cells won’t engage in the kind of division of labour that they should.
* Cells won’t do the jobs that they’re supposed to do.
* Cells will monopolise resources.
* And cells will trash the environment.
When we think about animals in the wild, or even bacteria living inside our cells, we understand that they’re facing evolutionary pressures to figure out how they can replicate more; how they can get more resources; and how they can avoid predators — like lions, or antibiotics.
We don’t normally think of individual cells as acting as if they have their own interests like this. But cancer cells are actually facing similar kinds of evolutionary pressures within our bodies, with one major difference: they replicate much, much faster.
Incredibly, the opportunity for evolution by natural selection to operate just over the course of cancer progression is easily faster than all of the evolutionary time that we have had as humans since Homo sapiens came about.
Here’s a quote from Athena:
"So you have to go and kind of put yourself on a different spatial scale and time scale, and just shift your thinking to be like: the body is a world with all these different ecosystems in it, and the cells are existing on a time scale where, if we’re going to map it onto anything like what we experience, a day is at least 10 years for them, right?
So it’s a very, very different way of thinking. Then once you shift to that, you’re like, “Oh, wow, there’s so much that could be happening in terms of adaptation inside the body, how cells are actually evolving inside the body over the course of our lifetimes.” That shift just opens up all this potential for using evolutionary approaches in adaptationist thinking to generate hypotheses that then you can test."
You can find compelling examples of cooperation and conflict all over the universe, so Rob and Athena don’t stop with cancer. They also discuss:
* Cheating within cells themselves
* Cooperation in human societies as they exist today — and perhaps in the future, between civilisations spread across different planets or stars
* Whether it’s too out-there to think of humans as engaging in cancerous behaviour.
* Why our anti-contagious-cancer mechanisms are so successful
* Why elephants get deadly cancers less often than humans, despite having way more cells
* When a cell should commit suicide
* When the human body deliberately produces tumours
* The strategy of deliberately not treating cancer aggressively
* Superhuman cooperation
* And much more
And at the end of the episode, they cover Athena’s new book Everything is Fine! How to Thrive in the Apocalypse, including:
* Staying happy while thinking about the apocalypse
* Practical steps to prepare for the apocalypse
* And whether a zombie apocalypse is already happening among Tasmanian devils
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John McWhorter is a linguistics professor at Columbia University specialising in research on creole languages. He’s also a content-producing machine, never afraid to give his frank opinion on anything and everything. On top of his academic work he’s also written 22 books, produced five online university courses, hosts one and a half podcasts, and now writes a regular New York Times op-ed column.
Our show is mostly about the world’s most pressing problems and what you can do to solve them. But what’s the point of hosting a podcast if you can’t occasionally just talk about something fascinating with someone whose work you appreciate?
So today, just before the holidays, we’re sharing this interview with John about language and linguistics — including what we think are some of the most important things everyone ought to know about those topics. We ask him:
• Can you communicate faster in some languages than others, or is there some constraint that prevents that?
• Does learning a second or third language make you smarter or not?
• Can a language decay and get worse at communicating what people want to say?
• If children aren't taught a language, how many generations does it take them to invent a fully fledged one of their own?
• Did Shakespeare write in a foreign language, and if so, should we translate his plays?
• How much does language really shape the way we think?
• Are creoles the best languages in the world — languages that ideally we would all speak?
• What would be the optimal number of languages globally?
• Does trying to save dying languages do their speakers a favour, or is it more of an imposition?
• Should we bother to teach foreign languages in UK and US schools?
• Is it possible to save the important cultural aspects embedded in a dying language without saving the language itself?
• Will AI models speak a language of their own in the future, one that humans can't understand but which better serves the tradeoffs AI models need to make?
The audio version also includes a remix of the conversation with the language model ChatGPT, and a related lecture from John on linguistic relativity: 80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/john-mcwhorter-language-extinction
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