Here's the prior video: http://youtu.be/sA64V6AIbiw
Ozymandias Ramses II
I respond to some comments and questions which arose out of my earlier video about presuppositionalism and the use of the primacy of existence as a counter-apologetic.
Here's the prior video: http://youtu.be/sA64V6AIbiw
Here's the prior video: http://youtu.be/sA64V6AIbiw
updated 12 years ago
Here's the prior video: http://youtu.be/sA64V6AIbiw
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Source video used in this video:
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The clip used in this video occurs at 27 minutes.
My thanks are owed to Steve McRae for some helpful discussions on this subject.
Experience TV show), for the Atheist Debates Project. I have synced up the audio. We hope this will be the first of several conversations and we are looking forward to discussing other subjects where we enjoy less agreement.
The topics on this occasion included: what role philosophy has within the Great Debate; the value of formal debates and how they
might better be structured; knowledge vs well-warranted belief; the
problem of special-pleading in arguments and how to achieve
agreement when people disagree with one's epistemic norms; whether one must one always be aware of what justifies our beliefs for one to be justified; belief-forming processes vs belief-forming practices.
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I am grateful to David Ezzio who generously and skillfully corrected the miserable audio quality from my original uploaded yesterday. Thank you, David, for the improvements you made to this video.
I apologize to those who took the time to post comments under the original upload.
A little photo essay and narration about what I find so satisfying about backcountry camping. I may not keep this video up here, but just uploaded it to set the stage for my discussion with Bert Poole very shortly: youtu.be/97kWWuGW1gs
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This conversation was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on December 30th, 2015.
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This conversation took place on November 16, 2015 in a hangout hosted by Nadia Yvette Chambers. The original video can be viewed here: youtube.com/watch?v=vWYIPGXZtAU
My thanks go out to Helena Handbaskit for initiating this and similar conversations.
My thanks are also owed to Bert Poole for excerpting this 1-hour portion of the full 8-hour hangout.
While I do not endorse everything he says here, his views do closely approximate my own both in his general thrust and in many of the particulars.
Below is a link to the full text of his comment if you wish to read the original.
plus.google.com/103315296856293931136/posts/4QrKiJMU6TT
Link to the Deeper Than Dogma Show's channel: youtube.com/channel/UCKV2dR8rvDPQOU55tlc8Wsw
it physically impossible? Do we have good reasons for thinking
it's impossible in any sense?
I argue why it isn't logically impossible.
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This was a special 'rogue' hangout hosted by 'Socka Count' who, along with 'XboxF iend', host the DEEPER THAN DOGMA online show every Friday evening.
The original video can be viewed here:
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Check out Deeper Than Dogma for other interesting, civil discussions of relevance to the Great Debate.
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My video of the Sam Harris podcast: http://youtu.be/REm-iYqwaFQ
The comment which inspired this video was posted under the video linked above by the YouTuber Gambleor S. He was articulating this position, but does not actually endorse it. I am grateful to him for this and other thought-filled comments he has posted under my videos. Link to his channel: youtube.com/user/gambleor/videos
Link to my follow up video: A Defense of Sam Harris http://youtu.be/uN-_Y-Dtphk
The original audio podcast by Sam Harris from February 17, 2015, is entitled: The Chapel Hill Murders and 'Militant' Atheism.
The original podcast can be heard here: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-chapel-hill-murders-and-militant-atheism
It is my view is that some moderates sometimes provide cover for fundamentalism, and usually inadvertently, even when they are in the very act of condemning some heinous act. So, I think we should point that out when it happens, but we need not vilify people for the actions of others nor describe them as being "just as bad" as those who commit heinous acts, but nor should moderates be seen as immune from such challenges when they are seen to be lending cover.
The quotations I provide in this video are drawn from comments under the following comment threads:
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plus.google.com/u/0/100685907790766795780/posts/bKF992cJQ5j
My video, 'Theism, Atheism & Moral Atrocities' is here: http://youtu.be/athbATPmMmU
One of the people I quote in this video responds on G+ here:
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I've gone through the comments in this promo video and answered all the questions that were remaining which I could not answer during the Q&A session.
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I intend to upload a video shortly arguing against doxastic voluntarism or why we do not choose our beliefs.
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Thank you JD Wiley and Shanna Rockey for this challenge.
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In the process, I explain a bit about logical inference rules and the concept of logical validity.
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The video clip of Dustin Segers is from a video on the Biblethumpingwingnut channel
youtube.com/watch?v=qNOJ61TKXcM
starting at about 2:45 minutes.
The 2 clips of Jason Peterson are from a hangout on his channel, starting at 23:30 minutes.
youtube.com/watch?v=XmPbwxw6BSc
Note, Peterson does not permit comments on this video, so if you wish to comment about that hangout, it is mirrored in it's entirety on BennyOcean's channel
youtube.com/watch?v=fi6AsK5_qCg
Here's the link to the original video entitled Design Implies a Designer: Teleology & Teleonomy: http://youtu.be/EP2Fd3IqBdw
Please watch it first or else this video might make little sense.
Here's the link if you'd like to view my follow-up video addressing viewer comments and questions about teleonomy and design.
http://youtu.be/Wk01qZ7scmU
Hosted by Dr. Michael W. Jones
The participants were:
Greg Brahe (atheist)
Nate Cunningham (mainstream Christian)
Bob Greaves (agnostic theist)
Ozymandias Ramses II (atheist)
William Caicedo Torres (theist & follower of Jesus)
Darryl Furlow commented briefly at the end.
This conversation was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on April 16th, 2014.
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In the comments below, BibleThumpingWingnut responded with:
Hey +Ozymandias Ramses II, thanks for taking the time to respond. I get what you are saying about certainty here however I think you have overlooked or missed the question I asked in the video. I know I asked multiple questions in my video thus I take the blame for not communicating well.
The question is simple, at least meant to be...
"Could you be wrong about everything you know?"
No need to explain or justify your answer. I have no script here and no followup questions for you. I am just wondering how you would answer that question.
- thanks again.
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To which I replied with:
+biblethumpingwingnut, I didn't neglect your question by reason of some oversight; I was addressing the point of all the questions you asked in your video, which I thought would be a much more useful exercise. Your specific question to me now is "Could you be wrong about everything you know?"
The first thing to say is that the question you have just asked is ill-posed. If by 'knowledge' you have in mind something like justified, true belief, then it's impossible, by definition, for me to be wrong about what I know. Nobody is wrong about what they know, because knowledge implies truth. So, if I actually do know something, then, ex hypothesi, it's true and I can't be mistaken about it. So, that way of formulating the question is incorrect.
So, I take it you mean to ask something more like, "Could you be mistaken about everything you think or believe that you know?"
The answer to that question would depend entirely on what you mean by "everything you know". Just how far would you extend the scope of that 'everything'? For instance, what about my lexical beliefs? Those would be my beliefs about what the words we're using right now mean. Could I be wrong about even those? Well, if I were, I could not even understand the question.
So, to answer the question - even to understand the question - one has to assume one knows the meanings of the words one is hearing and speaking. Doubt (to crib a line from Wittgenstein) comes after certainty (the feeling of deep conviction). We presuppose a lot - a whole lot - before we can ever muster a doubt about anything. This is because we do not enter the world as blank slates who are disposed to doubt and don't adopt beliefs until we have reasons and evidence. Rather, we enter the world like other mammals, filled with behavioral and doxastic dispositions, that is, pre-rational assumptions, which are sometimes described as 'properly basic beliefs' by philosophers and cognitive scientists. Among those dispositions are ones to trust our memories, senses, inferential practices and whatever we're told by our epistemic and linguistic communities as we are growing up.
Thus, we are not born as skeptics who learn to believe. We are born credulists who learn to doubt. Doubt happens within the scope of pre-rational properly basic beliefs. And so it is only within the scope of what we already believe and take for granted that specific doubts can arise, be expressed, and explored in the hopes of confirming them or assuaging them.
So, could I be wrong about any particular belief within my belief set? Yes. There is no particular belief within my belief set that's immune to the possibility of error.
Could I be wrong about everything in my belief set, all at once? Only at the price of the question itself being utterly incoherent and unintelligible. Unintelligible questions don't admit of yes or no answers. They don't admit of answers, period. Your question, if it's meant to refer to absolutely every belief I have, simultaneously, could not admit of any answer because if it were true, it'd be utterly unintelligible to me. The question presupposes I possess knowledge. You presuppose I possess lexical knowledge in the act of asking the question and I presuppose I possess lexical knowledge when I hear it, understand it, and answer it as I am doing now.
So, no, I can't be wrong about every one of my beliefs simultaneously except on pain of not understanding the question, which, if that were the case, would not be an answer to your question and would make your question nonsensical. "Wrong" or "error" would not even be the right words to describe the epistemic circumstance you are tasking people to imagine when you ask that ill-posed question.
In any case, the fact that I can't be mistaken about every belief I have simultaneously doesn't imply that any one particular item in my belief set is certain or needs to be certain. That would be a non sequitur. Certainty isn't an ingredient in justification, much less knowledge. But to get as far as asking and understanding a question (any question), that presupposes, minimally, lexical knowledge.
I hope this helps,
- Ozy
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Christopher Maute. The original can be viewed on his channel here:
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Our hangout sparked a short-lived bit of YouTube drama when, following our discussion, Christopher Maute made a short video addressed to Livelife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pYCmjgHTXA&feature=share
and then Christopher did a short hangout with Matthew4Nineteen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7TbdIhyzMs&feature=share
This motivated xxxild to make a response video to Chris Maute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcy2BrsE_IM&feature=share
and then Chris did a hangout with xxxild which brought this bit of drama to a fitting end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S84SPk_ZVM&feature=share
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My heartfelt thanks are owed to the following YouTubers for their generous shout-outs:
CapriciousBlackBox: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2ODPgiLUrhpPRBxuwRTHlw
Steves Shives: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD4qMoFPUEzSn4CurFLJkIQ
Brett Palmer (The Bible Skeptic): http://www.youtube.com/user/brettppalmer
Steve's shout-out to me is here: http://youtu.be/TPVPPVtmF3Y , beginning at 23:46.
Brett's shout-out to me is here: http://youtu.be/XtaUm1i05DU
CapriciousBlackBox's shout-out to me is here: http://youtu.be/dXLRmS07US4
My very sincere thanks go out to the following for the privilege of participating in their shows:
DPRJones, host and moderator of the the Magic Sandwich Show;
Alex Botten and Jim Gardner of Fundamentally Flawed;
Rhonda Jones and Dr. Michael Jones, co-hosts at The Place;
Christopher Maute, host of Meeting of the Minds;
Joey Livingston and Greg Brahe, co-hosts of Clash Course;
and Mathew Steele, host of The Elephant in the Room.
Lastly, and to my embarrassment, I neglected to publicly thank Bob Greaves, who's show on NCG is the Unconventional Pastor. I didn't script this video and was just shooting from the hip, and in an effort to not forget anyone at NCG to whom I owed my thanks for directing people to my channel, I listed the shows in which I'd participated, never realizing that I was thereby omitting Bob Greaves! This was a real oversight because, though I've never been on his show, no one has 'talked me up' more frequently and consistently than Bob. Many people watch his show and he has helped me grow my little channel by his generous words of praise. This omission on my part is especially embarrassing because I happen to think Bob's show (The Unconventional Pastor) is consistently the best show in the entire NCG line-up. My heartfelt apologies to Bob.
Here is the argument we discussed:
Premise 1. The pattern in DNA is a code.
Premise 2. All other known codes are the result of intelligent design.
Conclusion. Therefore the pattern in DNA is the result of intelligent design.
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Matthew Bell. The original can be viewed on his channel here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwVnLHAMgOw&feature=share
This conversation was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on January 26th, 2014. It is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of the New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty.
The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f34pYWGYpa8&feature=share
This conversation broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on January 19th, 2014. It is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Mathew Steele and the New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty.
The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gktbx-jpqOo&feature=share
Link to my earlier video of which I make mention: http://youtu.be/MlPY4JBo8w0
On my view, properly basic beliefs are:
1) They are all unstated assumptions (though one can become or be made aware of them). You were never taught to trust your senses, to rely on your memory, look for causes, think of yourself as a self, or apply induction, etc.
2)They are all universally-held. Good luck finding anyone who or any culture which don't make these assumptions.
3) They are ingredient to rationality and reasonableness to such a degree that their denial manifests itself as obvious irrationality and even madness. Try to imagine a person who lived as if his sense weren't reliable, who never assumed that something was an effect of some other thing, who invariably violated basic norms of deduction (such as believing manifest contradictions, not just failing to recognize contradictions), etc. Such a person would seem daft, if not utterly incomprehensible and we'd likely institutionalize the person for his or her own good.
4) They cannot be defended except on pain of circularity.
And so, they are
5) Irrevisable (not to be confused with indubitable, or inerrant). We have no grounds for rejecting them because we'd have to employ them in the very act of reasoning about why rejecting them. It's not that we couldn't be mistaken about the, but grounds for rejecting them are lacking, except on pain of circularity.
They constitute, in other words, the very basis by which we can reason and arrive at the rest of our beliefs. This sets them apart.
They are not merely unwarranted. They are unwarrantABLE.
Author and blogger Jim Palmer discussed spirituality and the idea of 'God is love'; two ideas I challenged. In the 2nd hour filmmaker Kevin Palmer joined us to discuss his documentary 'Hellbound?' and lead a thought-provoking discussion of the concept of hell within modern Christianity.
The participants included:
Bob Greaves (the Unconventional Pastor)
Dr. Michael Jones (Co-host of The Place)
Rhonda Jones (Co-host of The Place)
Christopher Maute (host of Meeting of the Minds)
Kevin Miller (special guest and filmmaker)
Jim Palmer (special guest and author)
Ozymandias Ramses II
Dr. John Shook (philosopher)
'The Place' was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on Dec 15th, 2013.
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of the New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty.
The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0N5iKSL5U4&feature=share
The participants were:
Jibran Ludwig
John F. McDropout (host and moderator)
Ozymandias Ramses II
and Elijah-Lees, who joined us late in the discussion.
This hangout was broadcast live by Jon F. McDropout for the Left Coast Atheists. on YouTube on Dec 12th, 2013.
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of John F. Mcdropout. The original video can be viewed on his channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8Okp7dzRc&feature=share
The participants included:
Greg Brahe (host of Clash Course)
Drew
Fabio Andreozzi
Bob Greaves (the Unconventional Pastor)
Dr. Michael Jones (Host of The Place)
Joey Livingston (producer at NCG)
Christopher Maute (host of Meeting of the Minds)
Ozymandias Ramses II
Dr. John Shook (philosopher)
Mathew Steel (from the Skeptic Fence)
This hangout was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on Dec 11th, 2013.
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of the New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty.
The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJPZ3sA83bI&feature=share
The participants were:
Bob Greaves (the Unconventional Pastor)
Dr. Michael Jones (Host of The Place
Professor Laurence M. Krauss (physicist, author, and outspoken atheist)
Christopher Maute (host of Meeting of the Minds)
Ozymandias Ramses II
This hangout was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on Dec 8th, 2013.
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The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlcruVpZEMI&feature=share
The participants were:
Christopher Maute (host and moderator)
Ilana FireFlower
Steve Shives
Ozymandias Ramses II
This hangout was broadcast live by The New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty on YouTube on Dec 5th, 2013.
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We discussed what I would call 'universally-held presuppositions' or properly basic beliefs which, I maintain, we hold without rational justification, and which are at the very heart of our other beliefs. This led into a discussion of how people of faith can be disabused of a naive and credulous attitude towards the Bible.
I hope people will be take heed of my careless equivocation throughout this discussion about what I meant by the expression "my side"; sometimes I was referring to my fellow atheists and sometimes I was referring to people who are devoted proponents of rationality and skepticism, irrrespective of their religiosity or atheism. I hope that people will be able to recognize which I meant at various points in the discussion.
The participants were:
Michael Fulford
Bob Greaves (aka The Unconventional Pastor)
Michael Jones (host of The Place)
Christopher Maute (host of Meeting of the Minds)
MK_Skeptic
Ozymandias Ramses II
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of the New Covenant Group / Cult of Honesty.
The entire original 2-hour video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdIddQVR4Cg&feature=share
The present video is a mirror of an episode of 'The Place' which was simulcast on Nov 24th, 2013 on YouTube and Ustream.
The hosts were Rhonda Jones and Dr. Michael W. Jones.
Panelists were:
- Bob Greaves (the Unconventional Pastor)
- Richard Maute (host of Meeting of the Minds)
- Ozymandias Ramses II (Ozy)
We were later joined by:
- Michael Scott Fulford
- Matthew Jones
- Shawn Goodfleisch
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of the New Covenant Group/Cult of Honesty.
The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HINfJQnI5M&feature=share
Start that video at 56:32
or it can be viewed on UStream at: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/41092326
We discussed the question of 'atheist apologetics' and how to define atheism and agnosticism and whether atheism is a default position.
I intend to make one or more scripted videos to further articulate my own position on these questions.
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Christopher Maute of the Cult of Honesty / New Covenant Group.
The original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543nOF-AQdc&feature=share
Alex Botten took umbrage at some things Christopher Maute said when Christopher had BibleThumpingWingnut (aka Tim) on his show to discuss BibleThumpingWingnut's perspective on the exchange he'd had a week earlier with Alex Botten.
Alex Botten joined us later in this discussion
In the course of the discussion we talked a bit about some shortcomings we, in the atheist community, fall prey to and how to do better in future.
The discussion between Christopher Maute and BibleThumpingWingnut which gave Alex Botten offense can be viewed in one of my recent uploads or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7hP-D3iyI&feature=share
The memorable exchange between BibleThumpingWingnut and Alex Botten can be viewed here: http://youtu.be/9AUj099za8U
The present video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Christopher Maute of the Cult of Honesty / New Covenant Group and the original can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9PY7hJApHw&feature=share
The discussion between Christopher Maute and BibleThumpingWingnut can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7hP-D3iyI&feature=share
The memorable exchange between BibleThumpingWingnut and Alex Botten can be viewed here: http://youtu.be/9AUj099za8U
The present video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Christopher Maute of the Cult of Honesty / New Covenant Group and the original can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA4asnouY8Y&feature=share
Philosopher John Shook was the special guest on this panel where we discussed whether science and religion are compatible as well as the concept of the supernatural.
This video is mirrored on this channel with the kind permission of Christopher Maute of the Cult of Honesty / New Covenant Group.
he original video can be viewed on the New Covenant Group's channel called theNewCovenantGroup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yUDEBlm218&feature=share&list=PLSO-KqpXp4gfxqjJGRuDOUA3KwI_f_Cf2


